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Anh Dep
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 Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:17 am Post subject: Police crackdown again on teachers. |
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I thought I would just post about a conversation I had last night with a friend who teaches in Vung Tau. He said that the police want to crack down across Viet Nam on schools employing foreigners. If the teacher doesn't have a work permit and all legal paperwork, the school will be fined 30 million vnd and so will the teacher. He said that they will do surveilance outside schools to film who is coming and going.
I asked him where he got this information from, as you hear these things all the time. He said it was from a friend who worked at immigration for 19 years and still held a good relationship with the immigration department. She was in conversation with existing employees of immigration and this subject was discussed. So it may happen it may not, I just thought it was worth posting to see if anyone else has heard of this. |
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ExpatLuke
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:57 am Post subject: |
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So you heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who USED to work in immigration, and it might more might not really happen?
Sounds legit. |
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Anh Dep
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| You may end up with egg on your face if it actually happens. All I was trying to do was get feedback if anyone else has heard of this. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:27 am Post subject: Re: Police crackdown again on teachers. |
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| Anh Dep wrote: |
I thought I would just post about a conversation I had last night with a friend who teaches in Vung Tau. He said that the police want to crack down across Viet Nam on schools employing foreigners. If the teacher doesn't have a work permit and all legal paperwork, the school will be fined 30 million vnd and so will the teacher. He said that they will do surveilance outside schools to film who is coming and going.
I asked him where he got this information from, as you hear these things all the time. He said it was from a friend who worked at immigration for 19 years and still held a good relationship with the immigration department. She was in conversation with existing employees of immigration and this subject was discussed. So it may happen it may not, I just thought it was worth posting to see if anyone else has heard of this. |
Has anyone been caught in the sting operation yet?  ROFL |
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pooroldedgar
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I could understand getting kicked out of the county. Would much more happen? |
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ExpatLuke
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| pooroldedgar wrote: |
| I could understand getting kicked out of the county. Would much more happen? |
You get slapped with a hefty fine as well. |
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Mattingly
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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As of February, 2016, it is a fact that the authorities have been visiting schools onsite and checking:
1. visa status (tourist, DN, etc).
2. for work permits (where it applies)
3. age of teacher (65 years old is maximum age).
Slowly but surely, things are getting tighter. |
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BenE
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| Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Yeo things are getting tighter. A friend of mine was caught working in a school where he didn't have a work permit. He had one in another school but was still given a warning and made to sign some paperwork acknowledging he had made a mistake.
Long story short if you have a work permit somewhere it's still ok but you really should not be working on a tourist visa or similar or else things can go wrong. |
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sigmoid
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| Where is this happening? Hanoi or...? |
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TRH
Joined: 27 Oct 2011
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Location: Hawaii
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:27 am Post subject: Over 65? |
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| Mattingly wrote: |
As of February, 2016, it is a fact that the authorities have been visiting schools onsite and checking:
1. visa status (tourist, DN, etc).
2. for work permits (where it applies)
3. age of teacher (65 years old is maximum age).
Slowly but surely, things are getting tighter. |
Mattingly: Can you confirm #3. This is the first time I have ever heard of a maximum age for permittees. You mention this with respect to school checks but I would assume that an easier point of enforcement would be as part of the permitting process (over 65=no permit.) I had my work permit when I was below 65 but am now over 65 and do not intend to return until 2018. I had intended to look for part-time work then but I did plan to keep it legitimate. My visa status will not be a problem as I have a 5 yr. VEC or may get the new spousal TRC.
Anyone here who can say that they obtained a WP after their 65th birthday? |
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Mattingly
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Over 65? |
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| TRH wrote: |
| Mattingly wrote: |
As of February, 2016, it is a fact that the authorities have been visiting schools onsite and checking:
1. visa status (tourist, DN, etc).
2. for work permits (where it applies)
3. age of teacher (65 years old is maximum age).
Slowly but surely, things are getting tighter. |
Mattingly: Can you confirm #3. |
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| This is the first time I have ever heard of a maximum age for permittees. |
I don't understand your term "permitees."
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| You mention this with respect to school checks but I would assume that an easier point of enforcement would be as part of the permitting process (over 65=no permit.) |
What is "permitting process?"
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| I had my work permit when I was below 65 but am now over 65 and do not intend to return until 2018. |
I do not know.
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| I had intended to look for part-time work then but I did plan to keep it legitimate. My visa status will not be a problem as I have a 5 yr. VEC or may get the new spousal TRC. |
Ask the usually clueless and corrup authorities. And they probably do not know.
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| Anyone here who can say that they obtained a WP after their 65th birthday? |
For teaching?
*crickets chirping* |
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TRH
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Over 65? |
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| Mattingly wrote: |
| TRH wrote: |
| Mattingly wrote: |
As of February, 2016, it is a fact that the authorities have been visiting schools onsite and checking:
1. visa status (tourist, DN, etc).
2. for work permits (where it applies)
3. age of teacher (65 years old is maximum age).
Slowly but surely, things are getting tighter. |
Mattingly: Can you confirm #3. |
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| This is the first time I have ever heard of a maximum age for permittees. |
I don't understand your term "permitees."
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| You mention this with respect to school checks but I would assume that an easier point of enforcement would be as part of the permitting process (over 65=no permit.) |
What is "permitting process?"
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| I had my work permit when I was below 65 but am now over 65 and do not intend to return until 2018. |
I do not know.
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| I had intended to look for part-time work then but I did plan to keep it legitimate. My visa status will not be a problem as I have a 5 yr. VEC or may get the new spousal TRC. |
Ask the usually clueless and corrup authorities. And they probably do not know.
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| Anyone here who can say that they obtained a WP after their 65th birthday? |
For teaching?
*crickets chirping* |
Sorry to have upset you. 
Let me address your questions one by one since that is how you have chosen to approach my question.
1. Permittee: a person given a permit; someone who is permitted or given permission to do something (This is from Collins online. Perhaps you could not find it because the word has two t's.) In this case it should be self evident that I meant holders of work permits for teaching in The Socialist Republic of Vietnam. Is that specific enough?
2. Permitting process is the process that employers go through to obtain work permits for their teachers. Several of the documents required reveal the applicants age including, passport, medical examination, VN criminal records check, and the actual applications (Mau so 7 and Mau so 1) so if there is a maximum age, it should be easy for authorities at DOLISA to spot it and decline the application if that is truly what the law requires.
3/4. I included biographical information as background to my prime question. I merely meant to indicate that I would not require a work permit for residency. You may ignore this information if you wish.
5. Yes for teaching. I figured most readers here would assume that as this site is called Dave's ESL Cafe and not Dave's Banking Cafe or Dave's Chemistry Cafe.
For anyone who can answer from experience, allow me rephrase my original question in two forms.
Has anyone reading this received a Work Permit to teach ESL in Vietnam after their 65th birthday?
Has anyone reading this been turned down for a Work Permit to teach ESL in Vietnam after their 65th birthday? |
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