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Sashadroogie · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:05 pm Post subject:

You might also want to do a quick wiki of 'transformative' as it relates to learning. Not about changing lives, as such. Even sex lives. More about changing perspectives...

Sashadroogie · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:06 pm Post subject:

Sashadroogie · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:15 pm Post subject:

johnslat · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:56 pm Post subject:

Dear Sasha,

And, as my experience would seem to indicate, not all are as proficient as you in wielding that sword. Very Happy

Regards,
John

Sashadroogie · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:16 pm Post subject:

Dear Johnslat

Thank you. But my real forte is in ice-picks. Umbrellas are a close second, picked up in Bulgaria. Happily, handbags do not feature.

With Communist greetings

Sasha

Deats · Joined: 02 Jan 2015 Posts: 503

My qualifications are not what is important in this debate.

Anyway, I have massed up so much empathy that this trumps all else.

I'm happy to know that I am better than all teachers who haven't tried to learn a second language, as I have. I'm glowing with pride. My ego has been sufficiently massaged and now I will go around telling everyone how great I am. And also belittling those beneath me.

What fun it is to be smug, I should have tried sooner!

kpjf · Joined: 18 Jan 2012 Posts: 385

It doesn't sound like for Fluffy it was transformative:

johnslat · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:30 pm Post subject:

Dear Deats,

Smug is OK, just don't be Smaug.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140226234111/lotr/images/9/94/Smaug_Headshot.png

Regards,
John

Sashadroogie · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:31 pm Post subject:

It takes a little more time. But there is hope. Just look at the progress that has been made with brackets! Very Happy

Sashadroogie · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:38 pm Post subject:

Deats · Joined: 02 Jan 2015 Posts: 503

Yes I only have an online cert. I have worked with people who have CELTA's and in house TEFL's and they were utterly feckless. And that is being complementary. However, this is not to say there aren't teachers who have greatly benefited from taking these courses. Of course there are. There are always examples of each. You can't fail in house certs anyway. I think CELTA has 99% pass rate if I am not mistaken. Not that it really matters but I passed my cert with A.

Taking a 1 hour lesson in another language... it's laughable. As others have written on here, some people MAY benefit and some people have clearly stated that it was of no benefit. Going from - you should have tried to learn another language - to - having a 1 hour lesson being enough, is quite a jump. And rather absurd. Everyone in the world who teaches has probably learned another language for 60 minutes over the period of their life.

I'm not sure how much more we need to go around in circles. I have clearly and rationally stated from my first post: some people will benefit from learning a second language, some people won't. You on the other hand insist you are right and only teachers who have learned a second language are capable of being ESL teachers, even though there are obviously teachers who prove otherwise. You are completely inflexible in your beliefs... you are right and everyone who disagrees is wrong. After all you have listed a couple of authors so this proves you are right. Rolling Eyes

Such an ego doesn't really go with having empathy as a teacher. You must always be right, so if the student disagrees, they are simply wrong and must listen to you. Or are you only like that online?

It's like listening to a religious nut who just knows they are right. They have no evidence to back up their faith but anyone who disagrees with them must be wrong. Hey, they have authors and books who prove they are right. Just because there are other authors and books who have counter arguments, this doesn't matter. Because your authors must be right, because you believe it to be true. Rolling Eyes

Sashadroogie · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:12 pm Post subject:

Thank you for confirming my thoughts - you have never had the experience of a face-to-face course. Yet you feel the need to comment on the unknown language input session of a Celta, without actually knowing what it is like. Now, that I believe is quite presumptuous.

As for the rest of your contribution, ignoring the many more insults you have penned, could I point out to you that you are again misquoting me? Please show me where I have said only teachers who have learnt a second language are capable of being ESL teachers? I said they will be better teachers for the experience of at least trying to learn. If this distinction is too subtle for you, then you may wish to re-visit your claims to rationality.

santi84 · Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea

I have a full-year postgraduate TESL certificate and we never had to take a lesson in another language. Funny enough, I did take a lesson in Polish for a childhood language acquisition course (L1), so as to empathize with what babies endure Laughing

ETA: It was Czech, sorry, not Polish.

Deats · Joined: 02 Jan 2015 Posts: 503

Sasha, I am mocking the one hour component as you think it plays some huge role in a teachers development. Sorry, but if this is the most important thing to come from the course, then I will save my money.