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wqill2010 · Joined: 04 Feb 2011 Posts: 14

Teachers beware** of any jobs posted by a so called agent, going by the English name of 'Sophia'

her Chinese name I believe to be Yue Li although

I cannot be sure as she is a real snake in the grass

she misled me about my job location, she has taken a lot of money from me and when confronted has been extremely threatening and abusive.

she is just looking for your money and will try to obtain it by any means necessary beware she recently made off with 18,000yuan of my money.

Her email addresses I have been able to track down so far are as follows;

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]

she works under the guise of 'Oden English' whether this is true or not I have not been able to ascertain

She seems to be operating all over china, doubtless changing her contact details in order to hoodwink more unsuspecting foreign teachers.

I say this in earnest and not through malice, in order to try and prevent any one else falling in to her nefarious practices.

GeminiTiger · Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:16 pm Post subject:

you gave a recruiter/employer 18,000 rmb?

what?

The Great Wall of Whiner · Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 4946 Location: Blabbing

Contact the police ASAP or she will continue to do this.

She is probably using a fake name and has probably done this a lot of times over.

May I ask why you gave her money? You do not need to pay money to get a job in China. In fact, if you are clever about it, the school will give YOU money as a bonus instead of a recruiter.

7969 · Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 5782 Location: Coastal Guangdong

The Great Wall of Whiner · Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 4946 Location: Blabbing

I respectfully disagree with the message of the above post.

It is easy to fall prey to scams, especially if you are new to the industry. Warning fellow teachers is important so that we also do not fall victim to these rip-offs.

That's why we have such a thing as a free media in the west; do a naughty thing and people get to know about it.

True, you should not throw out random names unless you are sure about who it was. But a general warning is fine about the situation.

'Never pay for a job' should be the ultimate message.

7969 · Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 5782 Location: Coastal Guangdong

And I respectfully disagree with the above post. We don't need a general warning about scams, we all know they exist. But if a warning about a scam is warranted, then post ALL the info. Like, how did she get her hands on RMB18000? How and why was she abusive? And other details.

Anyway, a general warning about this situation isn't much good without names, and without the correct names the warning shouldn't be posted. There are too many schools and people here with the same or similar names. Posting untrue, inaccurate or incomplete info is unacceptable where we come from and it should be here too.

chryanvii · Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 125

The information he/she posted appears to be both acceptable and useful. Thank you for the warning.

7969 · Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 5782 Location: Coastal Guangdong

It appears that wqill2010 was working illegally while at this school.

Oden English training school, opinons?

I hate to see anyone get cheated but I don't have much sympathy for those who circumvent the laws/regulations. wqill2010 should chalk this one up as a lesson learned.

wqill2010 · Joined: 04 Feb 2011 Posts: 14

many teachers in china work whilst on a business visa, lesson learned..?(!) no one deserves to be ripped off because they go to teach in china and do not meet the numerous preventative requirements of a z visa.

and no I did not give her money, I was working directly for her, she is an 'agency'. my employer employed her and she employed me, my employer paid her she took her percentage and then paid me .

until suddenly last month she disappears with 10,000(my month in arrears pay) and 8,5000 of my current months pay leaving me with 1,500yuan.

This is not a general warning about scam I have tried to give you as much information as possible on the current names and emails she is using, would you rather I keep quiet? you see someone get shot but you don't have a full, in detail description of the shooter, so you don't go to the police is that what you're saying?

Lobster · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:28 am Post subject:

Your business visa is ok for teaching positions under 6 months. I thought this had been cleared up.

I take it she farmed you out. The school(s) you worked for should have her contact information, and they should be able to help you track her down. If they are unwilling to assist, go to the school, explain the situation and tell them you want to summon the police. That is, if you registered your address with them. You did do that, right?

RED

7969 · Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 5782 Location: Coastal Guangdong

chinanoodles · Joined: 13 May 2011 Posts: 74

Lobster · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:36 am Post subject:

As is typical here, different government websites provide different information on the F visa. One specifically included the word "teaching", while another did not.

I guess we're going to have to err on the side of safety and state that only the Z Visa/RP is legal for teaching purposes.

RED

ymmv · Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 387

*deleted*

Giving the original poster his/her thread back.

Happy to discuss the issue of the legitimacy of F-visas with anyone by PM or in a new thread.

mike w · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:47 am Post subject:

ymmv:

Jobschina are not the issuing authority for visas, so what they say is actually irrelevant.

Try this link:

http://www.bjgaj.gov.cn/eng/contentAction.do?methodname=getArticleContentWsgs&id=234864

This is from the English website for the Beijing Municipal Public Security Bureau, who I would suggest, are more of an authority than a recruiting website.

It states "educator programmes" - maybe that could be interpreted as teaching, bit I wouldn't have thought so.