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NubianQueen
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 Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:33 pm Post subject: Decide not to return after summer vacation |
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| Laws are changing this is in shenszhen. What are the penalties I will pay the fee but not sure that is wise doubt they will give me what they say like letter of release ect. Can I apply in other parts of china or is it a wrap? Only those who are not going to bash me. |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| Not going to bash you, but how can any of us know what you signed up for or if you can wiggle out of it? Surely, you will need to ask the school to see what is possible. |
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NubianQueen
Joined: 04 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:56 am Post subject: Worst case scenario |
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| They get demand money but is the blacklist real. I signed a new contract it says pay up to a 1,000usd. I already asked them about leaving and they were not willing to work with me. |
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Babala
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Henan
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:12 am Post subject: |
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You need the release letter to be able to get another job in China. There is also a place on the release letter for the school to check off whether they felt you were good or not. I doubt your school will give you a favourable rating. Many schools now also require a recommendation letter which is something else your school will probably not give you.
I think your resume is going to hurt you. You haven't completed a contract in China. I've been hiring teachers here for years and honestly there is no way I would consider a candidate who kept jumping from to job (no matter the reasons) and I think a lot of other schools are going to feel the same way. It's the crappy schools that you don't want that would.
I strongly suggest you finish out your contract and then get your release letter/recommendation letter and then search out the kind of school you are looking for. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:56 am Post subject: |
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Doesn't 'after the summer vacation' imply completion?
Am I missing something? |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
Joined: 02 Jun 2015
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Doesn't 'after the summer vacation' imply completion?
Am I missing something? |
If the OP signed on in February, and he's on a one-year contract, he's leaving mid-year. |
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mysterytrain
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Babala wrote: |
You need the release letter to be able to get another job in China. There is also a place on the release letter for the school to check off whether they felt you were good or not. I doubt your school will give you a favourable rating. Many schools now also require a recommendation letter which is something else your school will probably not give you.
I think your resume is going to hurt you. You haven't completed a contract in China. I've been hiring teachers here for years and honestly there is no way I would consider a candidate who kept jumping from to job (no matter the reasons) and I think a lot of other schools are going to feel the same way. It's the crappy schools that you don't want that would.
I strongly suggest you finish out your contract and then get your release letter/recommendation letter and then search out the kind of school you are looking for. |
I'm not sure about the release letter, but others here know better than I do so I'd take Babala at his / her word. I completed my first contract in China but never got a release letter as I knew nothing about such a requirement at the time (2011) and the school never mentioned it to me. I was able to get another job in China (and a Z-visa) this year without providing a release letter ... I have heard / read that the release letter is only absolutely required when one is switching from one employer to another from within China, and not required after one leaves the country and wants to come back on a new Z visa, but this may be inaccurate. In any case, if the school insists on proof that one has finished a previous contract(s) ... and as Babala points out, the schools which will NOT care about asking for such proof will very likely be the same sort of dodgy employers / recruiters who have allegedly caused you to jump ship a few times already. not reliable, trustworthy or honest ones.
I'm not trying to "bash" you, but if you can't see the problem here (from the perspective of a prospective employer, looking at YOU), then there's a real issue in that as well, I think. It may have all been rotten luck falling your way, as you've said in another thread, but do you really expect a decent employer to accept that on your say-so, when it's happened three or four times already?
I believe you said recently that after all your previous problems, you were "now in a decent school", but you still want to leave yet another job early without ever finishing any contract in China? From an employer's perspective, I think this would strain even the more credulous among them, leaving you with just the ones who don't really give a #@$ because they know they are not going to treat you, as an employee, well or fairly either, and if you leave, they will just take any other "whoever they can get" to stick in your place.
There are going to be "issues" for almost any teacher in almost any job, in just about any country (not just in China). The degree and severity of these issues, and the ability of the teacher to manage / tolerate / deal with them, will vary and part of that will come from the employer's side, part of it from the teacher's. There are definitely some conditions under which a teacher is almost certainly justified in leaving early and / or breaking a contract. But having a track record of breaking contract after contract, or even being released early from one job after another, does not make one look like a reliable potential employee in China any more than it would in any other country, and you need to confront that reality at some point ... it may always be "the other guy's fault", but if a teacher can't suck it up, at some point, and complete a contract, even one which is not fulfilled completely by a disagreeable employer, that teacher is not gonna look good to any reputable employer who has any obviously preferable choice. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Doesn't 'after the summer vacation' imply completion?
Am I missing something? |
If the OP signed on in February, and he's on a one-year contract, he's leaving mid-year. |
I thought of that Bud but as OP doesn't say I thought it needed clarification. |
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NubianQueen
Joined: 04 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:22 pm Post subject: 3 month contract |
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| I started my contract in march. This was only 3 months and ended june 15 in which I signed on until june of 2016. Not sure why this matters since I already said I am looking to break my contract. For those who have been here longer is it worth taking the chance to leave. I will pay them all monies. Now the issue is transferring my visa. I doubt they will do that and I don't want to go home without a job. I also have other options in other countries I just don't want to burn bridges. |
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Non Sequitur
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You worked for 3m. Signed for a further 12 and then changed your mind.
Now the employer is a little uncooperative. Mmmmm...
Your best ally in these situations is your new employer and you should ask them to go into bat for you.
If you have said you are leaving without having something else lined up - then again Mmmmm... |
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Babala
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:47 am Post subject: |
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A few posters have told you their opinion. It sounds like you are just waiting for someone to agree with your position for validation.
As I said before, your ESL resume is not good and it will deter many good employers from hiring you. I'm sorry to say but you don't seem to be a good fit for an ESL job. You have to be adaptable and be able to get over the small stuff. I've been here 15 years and haven't had the issues you've had. |
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NubianQueen
Joined: 04 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:55 pm Post subject: Are you black |
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Dont' tell me who is fit for the esl line of work. Yes it is a short contract and you have been here to long if you think you should not be able to change jobs at will. They provided housing changed it I am not satisfied I can leave. Of course they are suppose to provide the documents but this is china. If you can justify someone leaving the contract per their terms and not getting documents then you are not to bright. I want normal people to comment who have options and choices. I don't owe anyone a year of my life if I can move on to something else I will. No job is that great you can't find better.
I hear so much about people not reutrning with my company of 120 teachers. I was wondering if anyone on this site did it. Nothing more or less. I am sure I am not the only one. |
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mike w
Joined: 26 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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If you are not going to honour your contract, why should the school? You signed a new contract, then decided you are going to break it. And you're surprised the school is being uncooperative?
Your attitude is such that you are always going to be a magnet for problems. China is certainly the wrong place for you, and ESL might not be your best choice.
You have options in other countries? Feel free to go.
Long-termers learn how to handle the problems, and get on with the job.
Like previous posters, I've never had any of your issues, and I've taught and recruited in Middle School, High School, Language Mill, University, and corporate for the last 18 years. |
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Babala
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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What you are looking for is someone to agree with with you. I don't. This doesn't make me abnormal. I put in 7 years at one job and 5 at another. Currently I've been at my school for one year and signed in for another.
You can't even complete a contract. You seem to think you are too good for any school. The contract, apartment.... are simply not good enough for you. Stay home. You personality is not adaptable enough for ESL. |
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spiral78
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Location: On a Short Leash
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Dont' tell me who is fit for the esl line of work. Yes it is a short contract and you have been here to long if you think you should not be able to change jobs at will. They provided housing changed it I am not satisfied I can leave. Of course they are suppose to provide the documents but this is china. If you can justify someone leaving the contract per their terms and not getting documents then you are not to bright. I want normal people to comment who have options and choices. I don't owe anyone a year of my life if I can move on to something else I will. No job is that great you can't find better. |
Teaching engrish eh? Punctuation, spelling.... clearly not. Guess I'm not 'normal' as I'd have no "options or choices" to offer for someone who would post on an English language teaching forum in this manner. |
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