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EF English First DoS position?

 
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AbeCross



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:37 pm    Post subject: EF English First DoS position? Reply with quote

I have an interview for a Director of Studies position with this large company. Not having taught in China before, I have no idea whether this ranks as a desirable post or not. What would the salary range for such a position be? Should the current economic convulsions-and currency fluctuations-of the country be a factor in one's decision to work in China?
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JB140767



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: EF English First DoS position? Reply with quote

AbeCross wrote:
I have an interview for a Director of Studies position with this large company. Not having taught in China before, I have no idea whether this ranks as a desirable post or not. What would the salary range for such a position be? Should the current economic convulsions-and currency fluctuations-of the country be a factor in one's decision to work in China?


I have an idea how much teachers get at EF, which is essentially horrendous on an hourly basis - no idea what a DOS salary is. In general terms mills like EF, WSE are seen as dross jobs in China though of course much depends on the particular franchise / location / management. Desirability is low, salary range I guess - unacceptable for the hours required. In the long term, in regards of the currency situation, I think the RMB is going to weaken, so getting paid in RMB and shipping it out of China well become unattractive - of course this may be coloured by personal bias: my new job has a GBP salary which I ship in to China
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Dan123



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I taught at EF for a year in a tier 3 city. Pay was 7.5K a month (with a yearly bonus of 10K + an extra months pay = 17.5K in total). I usually taught around 18 hours a week, but during the intensive periods, this sometimes increased to around 25 hours, which was pretty horrible considering every class was different and each required a new lesson plan.

I'm not sure what my DOS was getting, but some of the older guys there guessed that he was on around 13k or so (it may have been more for all I know).

During a normal, relaxed week, his hours were usually around 8-12 teaching hours (you do still teach as a DOS). He obviously had lots of other responsibilities to do, but I still think he spent less time in work than most of the other teachers). During times when there was a shortage of teachers, he sometimes worked the same hours as we did though, and had to do all of his regular DOS work. I wouldn't want his job during those times.

I will say though, that it does seem strange that they're offering you a DOS position right away like this. In the city I was in, there were 4 EF schools, and 4 DOSs, and they all got their positions after working for EF for a few years, and they all knew the ins and outs of the company and every syllabus that was taught. Just something to think about.
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Markness



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on city/qualifications. I know lots of training schools are even hiring "experienced" managers, and are giving them a low pay because they're not "experienced" at their company, which means they're just trying to save a buck. In Chengdu, the training school I used to work at had the base salary of a DOS at between 9-13k a month, not including kpi and all that other crap, but it's still pretty horrible considering you're there for 40 hours a week pretty much, and have to deal with the BS of a training school on top of it. No thanks!

Take a pass, unless you need the experience or something.
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Laurence



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AbeCross wrote:
I have no idea whether this ranks as a desirable post or not.


It sounds more desirable than it is.

The reality is that an EF DoS spends a lot of their time listening to concerns and complaints from the centre's teachers, and making promises to them,
then hearing opposing complaints from the centre owner, and making concessions. Along with a borderline full-time teaching load, it can be tough balancing act.

The rest of the EF DoS schedule is typically taken up covering hungover teachers' classes. Pay is fairly low and workload fairly high, so the teachers tend to be inexperienced, second rate, or dissatisfied - or all three! It's a hard sell at ~14k.

That said, if one can overcome the preposterousness (preposterousity?) of the whole shebang, it can be a fun diversion from real life for a short time. Just remember not to take yourself too seriously - EF is hardly the bastion of quality education and new horizons conveyed by her corporate conjecture.

Recipe for success: Less 'I'm a DoS for a year', more 'let's doss around for a year'.

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What would the salary range for such a position be?


Yeah I think they pay around 14k before tax (maybe more in tier 1 cities). They will most likely have a salary scale so you won't that have much room for negotiation.

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Should the current economic convulsions-and currency fluctuations-of the country be a factor in one's decision to work in China?


People in their first year don't tend to save much money (but often have amazing experiences) so I don't think you really need to worry about that.


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Enkates



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I could upvote Laurence! Smile
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