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simon44
Joined: 15 Mar 2013 Posts: 118
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:23 am Post subject: Are schools wary of employing older male primary teachers? |
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Background:
Over the past 10 years or so, I have been employed in a second career as a Homeroom teacher in several countries in south-east Asia, teaching a broad range of subjects (ESL, Maths, Science, Citizenship) to students in the 6 - 12 age range.
I have 2 post-grad degrees in non-teaching subjects, a TEFL that I obtained many years ago, and an upbringing in an academic family that has provided me with a good general education and 'worldy knowledge'.
With these miscellaneous qualifications, I have been able to obtain enjoyable employment in private, bilingual schools, with a reasonable salary, friendly work colleagues and always great students.
My employment in teaching has been interrupted on a regular basis by me building small hotels in Thailand - I would build a hotel, then teach for a year or so, then build another hotel and so on. (My employment with the schools always disclosed that I would work for 1 year, then not for 1 year etc, everyone was happy with this).
Now I'm 56 years old, am selling out from the hotel business, and am ready to return to teach full-time again.
I don't need to teach for the money alone, but as a father of 4 kids and with my family's academic background, (my father was a languages professor, my 2 brothers are university lecturers), I really enjoy teaching primary grades and especially the moment when my young students grasp the topic that I'm trying to explain to them.
So here is my problem. I want to continue to teach primary Homeroom, and intend to obtain some relevant teaching credentials, such as diplomas in teaching Maths and Science at primary grades.
But are older male teachers readily accepted as primary grade teachers? I look young for my age, am fit and have a wicked sense of humour. (Perhaps more relevant, younger work colleagues write glowing references about my work). Plus of course, all criminal checks are clean.
I worry that schools may view my job application with an 'uh oh, old guy wanting to teach young kids, bin this one...'
I don't want to invest in primary grade qualifications if there is widespread discrimination that will severely limit my chance of securing a job.
My MSc in Engineering Physics makes it easy for me to teach Maths and Physics up to A level grades, but in all honesty, I am happy to leave Physics behind with my previous engineering career.
What is good advice for me for returning to teaching? Is there discrimination against older male teachers? Should I opt for sex-reassignment surgery and become an older, female teacher?  |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Uh, where are you thinking of trying to teach? Makes a significant difference in relevant answers. |
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scot47

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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Gender re-assignment so that you can get a job for a few years ? You expect us to take this seriously ? |
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spiral78

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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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I presumed that part was a joke....but the lack of other key info is pretty limiting. What nationality is the OP, and where does he think he wants to teach in future? |
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AGoodStory
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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I worry that schools may view my job application with an 'uh oh, old guy wanting to teach young kids, bin this one...'
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Some will view it this way. But many will not. On the other side of the equation, some schools will give your application a second look because of your gender. Many (better) schools would actually like to have less of a gender imbalance among teachers at the primary level, but are unable to achieve it given the usual applicant pool.
This varies from culture to culture, however, so knowing the country/area you have in mind would help, as already suggested. |
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spiral78

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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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It's also about the fact that the number of opportunities for teaching young kids varies by region. In much of Europe, for example, this is normally done by qualified locals who are not native English speakers and job ops for a native speaker are thin on the ground. |
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simon44
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:49 am Post subject: |
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Gender re-assignment so that you can get a job for a few years ? You expect us to take this seriously ?
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Oh please! Do you not recognise sarcasm? (Obviously not...)
My nationality? (Sorry for omitting this), that sarcasm should easily identified me as British.
As to target countries, my teaching experience has always been in south-east Asia, and I imagine that is where I would like to remain, (but the unexpected can of course happen).
To date, i'm not aware that any of my unsuccessful job applications were 'binned' for this type of reason. But then, I am not party to the reasons for rejection.
I suppose my concern comes down to one of money and study time. I do not want to self-fund study for additional qualifications that concentrate on primary age teaching if I am deemed to 'fall at the first interview hurdle'. |
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scot47

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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:59 am Post subject: |
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I did not realise that the OP was utilising Irony. Hoist by my own petard. I have used Irony here and then been annoyed because readers did not get my use of figurative language.
If you can teach Physics, I would stick with that. 56 is a bit late for a career change. |
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spiral78

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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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My nationality? (Sorry for omitting this), that sarcasm should easily identified me as British.
As to target countries, my teaching experience has always been in south-east Asia, and I imagine that is where I would like to remain, |
I, too, am capable of sarcasm, despite my American nationality. However, I will admit that I've worked with Brits for a couple of decades, so perhaps it's a learned skill.
I know nothing first hand about SE Asia, but I hear the kiddie market is very large and likely to remain stable. Others can speak better to that. |
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suphanburi
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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While gender is an issue for all ages of teacher applicants (females are preferred for primary schools) more often than not it will be the age factor impacting your visa as it relates to employment rather than gender bias.
Depending on the country there are visa rather than employer issues.
In Korea you won't get hired for k-12 after 55.
Language schools can hire up to 62. After that you can't get a visa as a teacher.
In Thailand you are looking at 60 as an upper limit for a teacher's license or license waiver (and hence work permit and visa issues).
In China there is a glass ceiling at 60 but exceptions are made for qualified individuals.
The same is true in the rest of the ASEAN +6.
At the tertiary level there are lots of exceptions for qualified individuals both as EFL, subject teaching and research positions.
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simon44
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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If you can teach Physics, I would stick with that. 56 is a bit late for a career change.
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I can teach Physics, but I do not by choice. It would be a career change if I started to teach Physics - the vast majority of my teaching experience is as a primary Homeroom teacher in south-east Asia.
This is my predicament. Should I grow old gracefully as the architypal Physics teacher? Or should I invest in additional and relevant CPD courses and continue teaching in the primary sector until I can't keep up with the 'Do the Hokey Cokey' song? |
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nomad soul

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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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simon44 wrote: |
This is my predicament. Should I grow old gracefully as the architypal Physics teacher? Or should I invest in additional and relevant CPD courses and continue teaching in the primary sector until I can't keep up with the 'Do the Hokey Cokey' song? |
Seriously, you're in your 50s; you should be able to make this type of decision on your own. Anyway, the retirement age in the UAE is 65. Get qualified and head to the Emirates where there's a high need for qualified teachers. |
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scot47

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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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I am 68. I still have not decided what to do when I grow up. |
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AGoodStory
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously, you're in your 50s; you should be able to make this type of decision on your own.
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I think he was simply stating the question he wants to resolve, not asking someone else to make the decision for him. He's given no reason to think that he isn't going to decide "on his own." Yes, he is asking for information and input from other experienced teachers--and why shouldn't he? Seems to me like a perfectly reasonable way to go about making his decision. |
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nomad soul

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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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AGoodStory wrote: |
I think he was simply stating the question he wants to resolve, not asking someone else to make the decision for him. He's given no reason to think that he isn't going to decide "on his own." Yes, he is asking for information and input from other experienced teachers--and why shouldn't he? Seems to me like a perfectly reasonable way to go about making his decision. |
I was being facetious since this is usually the type of question asked by those in their 20s. Perhaps I should have added the emoticon.
The OP was given info on retirement ages and qualifications (from myself as well). He'll have to figure out what to compromise on:
- teach math or physics
- get qualified or not
- stay in SE Asia or go elsewhere where the retirement age is higher |
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