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scot47
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 Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:47 pm Post subject: Russian Airliner in Sinai |
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No thoughts on this ? Do people on this forum only follow news from the Anglosphere ?
Was it an accident or a terrorist outrage ? |
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gregory999
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Russian Airliner in Sinai |
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| scot47 wrote: |
| Was it an accident or a terrorist outrage ? |
Only God and the pilot know what happened to this Russian Airliner.
Russia has a poor air safety record, particularly with smaller airlines' unmodernised fleets causing worries.
The latest news is that the Airline had not paid its employees for two months.
The plane that was involved in this crash had previously been in an accident in which its tail had been damaged. The plane was not operating under this airline at the time, and Metrojet stressed that it was properly repaired and had recent safety checks.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11969465/Russian-plane-crash-investigators-examine-theory-that-Isil-bombed-airliner.html |
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Dedicated
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Lots of conspiracy theories are emerging, but until the black box is found and examined, we will probably not know.
Experts say the crash could not have been caused by technical failure and blame " external activity", whatever that means! |
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Hod
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: Russian Airliner in Sinai |
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| scot47 wrote: |
| No thoughts on this ? Do people on this forum only follow news from the Anglosphere ? |
There are other internet forums. Stick to your teaching insights.
| gregory999 wrote: |
Russia has a poor air safety record, particularly with smaller airlines' unmodernised fleets causing worries.
The latest news is that the Airline had not paid its employees for two months.
The plane that was involved in this crash had previously been in an accident in which its tail had been damaged |
Could I just add a flying pig was sighted in the vicinity? What you’ve written above is finest tabloid laziness. Let’s imagine no one had been paid for two months. How does this equate to an aircraft breaking up in mid-air? How about waiting 72 hours for some facts? |
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scot47
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| We have a Current Affairs slot on the Forum. Let's use it ! |
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Hod
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| By all means if you have anything of value to add. |
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gregory999
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Russian Airliner in Sinai |
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| Hod wrote: |
| gregory999 wrote: |
Russia has a poor air safety record, particularly with smaller airlines' unmodernised fleets causing worries.
The latest news is that the Airline had not paid its employees for two months.
The plane that was involved in this crash had previously been in an accident in which its tail had been damaged |
Could I just add a flying pig was sighted in the vicinity? What you’ve written above is finest tabloid laziness. Let’s imagine no one had been paid for two months. How does this equate to an aircraft breaking up in mid-air? How about waiting 72 hours for some facts? |
What? Finest tabloid laziness?
What I wrote above is a fact.
In fact, according to the most recent IATA report, flying a commercial airline in Russia is four times more dangerous than the world average.
Recent high-profile commercial air disasters include the 2011 Yak-Service disaster, which wiped out nearly the entire Lokomotiv Yaroslavl ice hockey team, the 2013 Tatarstan Airlines crash, which killed, among others, the son of Tatarstan president Rustam Minnikhanov, and the Vnukovo Airport ground collision, which killed, besides three others, Christophe de Margerie, CEO of Total oil company and a tireless champion of Russian business abroad.
Outdated legislation that muddles issues of accountability, corruption, and a general lack of safety culture are routinely cited by experts as some of the major factors behind the poor performance of smaller Russian airlines.
Plenty of speculation has already occurred in the Russian media as to the cause of the Egypt crash. Opinions from both seasoned aviation experts and former passengers of Kogalymavia, the airline that operated the doomed flight, have poured in. They include a terrifying account from Russian blogger and seasoned traveler Olga Fink, who flew Kogalymavia to Egypt in 2013 recalled “frankly inebriated flight attendants”, “four attempts at a landing” and “a rickety cabin where everything was broken.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11971577/Russian-plane-crash-latest-news.html
The latest news are:
"Judging by the recording, a situation onboard developed suddenly and unexpectedly for the crew, and as a result the pilots did not manage to send a distress signal," a source said.
An Egyptian doctor who examined around half of the 224 bodies told The Telegraph that about one in five of the corpses had been badly burned in the moments before death.
The finding suggests that a fire broke out in the cabin while the plane was still the air but the doctor was not able to firmly conclude what caused the fire."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11971577/Russian-plane-crash-latest-news.html |
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Hod
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Russian Airliner in Sinai |
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| gregory999 wrote: |
| What I wrote above is a fact. |
Oh yes. You’re a crash investigator in Airbus or the NTSB equivalent. How’s Sinai today?
| gregory999 wrote: |
| wiped out nearly the entire Lokomotiv Yaroslavl ice hockey team, the 2013 Tatarstan Airlines crash, which killed, among others, the son of Tatarstan president Rustam Minnikhanov, and the Vnukovo Airport ground collision, which killed, besides three others, Christophe de Margerie, CEO of Total oil company and a tireless champion of Russian business abroad |
Let’s add a few high-profile people as that always helps. We can’t have ice hockey stars and CEOs dying in plane crashes, can we? Leave that to the proletariat.
Or even
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| How about waiting 72 hours for some facts? |
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grahamb
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:39 pm Post subject: Deja vu |
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| Hod want facts. Gregory provide facts. Hod no like. Hod resort to sarcasm. Hod naughty boy. |
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Hod
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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No sarcasm here, stalking one.
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| How about waiting 72 hours for some facts? |
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scot47
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Let us adjourn forthwith to a better place, whereat we may hold discourse on matters grammatical and pedagogical. I suggest the question of the use of personal pronouns, the vocative and the nominative absolute.l |
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johnslat
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Dear Hod,
I know it's unlikely, but perhaps some people read the OP and responded accordingly. 
"No thoughts on this ? Do people on this forum only follow news from the Anglosphere ?
Was it an accident or a terrorist outrage ?"
Regards,
John |
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Hod
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Let's have a fact then whilst we await news.
Banana trees are used to make paper in Costa Rica.
Discuss. |
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gregory999
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry no banana trees are planted in Sinai!
The latest news from Uncle Sam intelligence suggests that the crash of the Russian airline was most likely caused by a bomb on the plane planted by ISIS.
"There is a definite feeling it was an explosive device planted in luggage or somewhere on the plane," the official said, stressing that no formal conclusion had been reached by the U.S. intelligence community.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/04/africa/russian-plane-crash-egypt-sinai/
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| How about waiting 72 hours for some facts? |
Yes, I know, let's wait another 72 hours for some facts from the Russians and the Egyptians to see if they will tell the truth to their people! |
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Hod
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Yesterday you said all Russian planes were unsafe and staff hadn't been paid for two months. These were your facts. |
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