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ruwen
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 Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:37 pm Post subject: Job offer Guangzhou - Should I ? Or should I wait? Any tips? |
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Got a job offer in guangzhou for 9000 with housing, or 13000 without housing to start in Feb. Very undecided. This is my first job as a Teacher.
I was weighing up options either in South Korea/Thailand/China.
Do u guys think I should take it now or hold off for a better offer from one of the other countries?
There are strict penalties in the contract for doing part time work or offering students private tutoring etc. Something like 3000rmb if you get caught doing part time work. |
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Non Sequitur
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talentedcrayon
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Personally, I would not accept anything less than 12000 plus housing from a training center. Negotiate. If they won't back down, move on.
Finding a university job that pays 8000 per month for 16 hours per week is becoming easier and easier these days. Universities are usually okay with teaching privates on the side. You can easily add an extra 5000 per month to your salary with privates.
My coworker does a part time job for a training center 10 hours per week, 10,000/month... Keep that in mind.
Oh, and universities provide apartments too.
Just my two cents. |
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3701 W.119th
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| talentedcrayon wrote: |
Personally, I would not accept anything less than 12000 plus housing from a training center. Negotiate. If they won't back down, move on.
Finding a university job that pays 8000 per month for 16 hours per week is becoming easier and easier these days. Universities are usually okay with teaching privates on the side. You can easily add an extra 5000 per month to your salary with privates.
My coworker does a part time job for a training center 10 hours per week, 10,000/month... Keep that in mind.
Oh, and universities provide apartments too.
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My two cents are that this is a very misleading post, if meant as advice to a first-time teacher, apart from the final bolded sentence. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed.
As a 'two cents worth' it is as well to remember the other 98 cents.
There seems to be a pattern emerging of posters coming into newbie-originated threads and sounding off about money.
There are countless issues to consider and be prepared for when coming here for the first time.
My advice to OP is go through the checklist and then post queries about things in your offer that stick out as unusual. |
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JB140767
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Job offer Guangzhou - Should I ? Or should I wait? Any t |
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| ruwen wrote: |
Got a job offer in guangzhou for 9000 with housing, or 13000 without housing to start in Feb. Very undecided. This is my first job as a Teacher.
I was weighing up options either in South Korea/Thailand/China.
Do u guys think I should take it now or hold off for a better offer from one of the other countries?
There are strict penalties in the contract for doing part time work or offering students private tutoring etc. Something like 3000rmb if you get caught doing part time work. |
As the OP asked specifically about money and accom that is what I shall address.
I worked in GZ for 6 years, leaving in Sept. I would take the 13K - you will get a decent apt for 4K, considerably less if in the suburbs. If money is your goal you could find something for 2K giving more to save.
13K is decent in GZ you won't be rich, but you can go to the pub, restaurants, occasional trips whatever.
What you failed to mention is is this a 40H per week, 48 week a year mill job, or 16 X 32 in a uni - big difference there in earning potential.
When I was working in a uni in GZ, such was the generosity of the free time, I was making more in side jobs than the main job - this is not possible if doing 40X48
If it is a training centre, 40x48, then pass is my advice. There is a poly there i know of, can never find foreigners full time, offering an apartment and, I would guess 9 to 10 K for 16 X 36 (I moonlighted for them @ 225 per 40 mins.
Other GZ uni I know of 16 X 32, free apt, starts off @ 9000 nice apartments included. Masters minimum.
These examples maybe somewhat above average but are by no means rare, ignore anyone who tells to to settle for 5500 |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:16 am Post subject: |
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I recall 'any tips' being in the subject header and my tip is to look at package and go through the checklist which many posters have contributed to.
To cite salary as being the prime interest of OP and ignore airfare, utilities, other travel allowance and access to subsidized medical care and cafeterias is hardly helpful.
To cite private rents without mentioning commute time and what that means if you pull an 8-10 and then a 2-4 roster is likewise not helpful. Upfront rental deposits are horrendous, as are notice periods.
Also the OP mentions strict penalties for being caught doing outside work. To blithely brush over this without doing due diligence to see if this is enforced is frankly nuts.
If it is enforced then talk of how much money can be made out of private work is irrelevant. |
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JB140767
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frankly nuts
Dude if you want to attack me continually go to PM, stop hijacking threads, people are talking |
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Jmbf
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| 3701 W.119th wrote: |
My two cents are that this is a very misleading post, if meant as advice to a first-time teacher, apart from the final bolded sentence. |
My take on this is that it is better to have more information than less. If I was a new teacher and trying to make an informed decision, I'd like to have as much info as possible, including details on income ranges from both ends of the spectrum. Yes, salary is just one factor, and I agree that many others have to be considered. However, salary, working hours, location and accommodation are the initial key factors when considering a position. If these factors don't meet the OP's minimum criteria, then all the others are irrelevant at this stage.
I personally think the upsides of knowing the full salary range for any post / position outweigh the downsides. Might this information cause a new teacher to come in with elevated salary expectations? Maybe. But that's not the end of the world. Teachers are paid low enough salaries as it is. Raising expectations not only helps in rejecting stupidly lowball offers but also raises the game for all of us. Every little bit helps. Moreover it helps to make them aware of what's possible with a bit of legwork and experience gained. In terms of setting goals and developing one's career, I think that's quite influential. |
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Angel.Ro
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:00 am Post subject: Re: Job offer Guangzhou - Should I ? Or should I wait? Any t |
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| JB140767 wrote: |
Other GZ uni I know of 16 X 32, free apt, starts off @ 9000 nice apartments included. Masters minimum.
These examples maybe somewhat above average but are by no means rare, ignore anyone who tells to to settle for 5500 |
Since when is a minimum Masters required in China? That's the first I've read of that anywhere? |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: Job offer Guangzhou - Should I ? Or should I wait? Any t |
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| Angel.Ro wrote: |
| JB140767 wrote: |
Other GZ uni I know of 16 X 32, free apt, starts off @ 9000 nice apartments included. Masters minimum.
These examples maybe somewhat above average but are by no means rare, ignore anyone who tells to to settle for 5500 |
Since when is a minimum Masters required in China? That's the first I've read of that anywhere? |
A Masters is required for any entry-level FT job in the public tertiary system in China.
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roadwalker
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Job offer Guangzhou - Should I ? Or should I wait? Any t |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
| Angel.Ro wrote: |
| JB140767 wrote: |
Other GZ uni I know of 16 X 32, free apt, starts off @ 9000 nice apartments included. Masters minimum.
These examples maybe somewhat above average but are by no means rare, ignore anyone who tells to to settle for 5500 |
Since when is a minimum Masters required in China? That's the first I've read of that anywhere? |
A Masters is required for any entry-level FT job in the public tertiary system in China.
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I'm fairly certain the poster was referring to a specific university and not claiming that a masters is required as a rule in China. |
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Non Sequitur
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He/she has previously posted that the 9k job is pretty readily available ie he/she has one.
We only now find that the 9k job he/she has, requires a Masters. |
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Lack
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| Based only on the salary and the strict clause against private tutoring, I'd say move on. More competition in major cities, so they may try to get away with crappier offers. No problem, just move on. Plenty of opportunities out there. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Contact hours pw and subject/class size are also parts of the puzzle.
16 contact hours of oral English with 40 students is way better than the same teaching writing. |
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