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gregory999
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 Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:42 pm Post subject: “dog whistle” politics in the USA! |
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"Republicans have been outdoing each other in the vehemence of their statements about Syrian refugees in what the White House views as disturbing xenophobia"
"What used to be called “dog whistle” politics became a shrill blast heard around the world this week as American politicians reacted to the Paris terrorist attacks with an anti-refugee backlash that sounded ferocious even by the standards of the 2016 presidential race"
“If there is a rabid dog running around your neighbourhood, you are probably not going to assume something good about that dog and you are probably going to put your children away,” said presidential candidate Ben Carson as he called for a US ban on all Syrian refugees, “rabid” or otherwise.
Barack Obama has been swift to condemn the new tone in American politics as “offensive and hysterical”, as he pinned his hopes on Democrats in the Senate to stem what the White House views as a disturbing xenophobic tide.
“When I hear political leaders suggesting that there would be a religious test for which person who’s fleeing from a war-torn country is admitted, when some of those folks themselves come from families who benefited from protection when they were fleeing political persecution, that’s shameful,” said Obama during a trip to Asia. “That’s not American. That’s not who we are. We don’t have religious tests to our compassion.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/20/carson-trump-refugee-rhetoric-dog-whistle-politics
The land of dream is not anymore ....... and the Statue of Liberty would be "bowing its head in shame" at the refugee bill, the new mood is distinctly un-American. |
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nomad soul
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plumpy nut
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| Perhaps special ID badges for Muslims is not going to solve the issue of Islamic terrorism. Instead how about cordoning off entire Muslim neighborhoods with citizens and police and then performing domicile visits to check for terrorist devices and other illegal things that extremist Muslims shouldn't have. That might be difficult to do in the USA since Muslims are more integrated there. However for Europe that might produce good results. It produced wonderful results during the French Revolution. All people want is to get rid of those that dislike their host countries solely on account of their host countries not being Muslim or Muslim like enough. After all the Muslims who live in the countries where the Muslim immigrants come from feel entitled to do the same thing i.e. kick individuals out over religious and cultural differences. |
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Xie Lin
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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After all the Muslims who live in the countries where the Muslim immigrants come from feel entitled to do the same thing i.e. kick individuals out over religious and cultural differences.
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So you are arguing for European countries to become more like those countries that Muslim immigrants have come from?
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grahamb
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:32 pm Post subject: Cordon bleu |
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| It produced wonderful results during the French Revolution. |
I'm not aware of any anti-Muslim measures during the French Revolution. Please elaborate. |
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buravirgil
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| plumpy nut wrote: |
| Instead how about cordoning off entire Muslim neighborhoods with citizens and police and then performing domicile visits to check for terrorist devices and other illegal things that extremist Muslims shouldn't have... It produced wonderful results during the French Revolution. |
Like organized mobs? Sounds more Old Testament to me: Like smearing lamb's blood on doors.
And in the process, deny all Muslims of their rights of property and any sense of privacy or autonomy.
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| All people want is to get rid of those that dislike their host countries solely on account of their host countries not being Muslim or Muslim like enough. |
All people want is to... protect themselves and, in free societies, where people are treated equally and not breeds of livestock, that is problematic.
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| After all the Muslims who live in the countries where the Muslim immigrants come from feel entitled to do the same thing i.e. kick individuals out over religious and cultural differences. |
Your posts naively address challenges as though government might better discern lies and motivation if granted greater power, but cannot distinguish the expediency of facism from the accomplisment of statutory and democratic republics. The hypocrisy of other nation's governments or traditions or people shouldn't rationalize free people to deny others their freedom. And you continue to employ stereotype based on your anecdotal experience (and interpretations of) what some Muslims do and say to apply it to a larger population of adherents to the faith of Islam. |
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steki47
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:34 pm Post subject: Re: Cordon bleu |
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| grahamb wrote: |
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| It produced wonderful results during the French Revolution. |
I'm not aware of any anti-Muslim measures during the French Revolution. Please elaborate. |
Perhaps PlumpyNut was reffering to the "quartiers" of Paris established in 1789. They did not address Muslims (were there many in Paris?) but gave each district some local control over who lived there and how the neighborhood was governed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_sections_of_Paris |
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steki47
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This seems like a non sequitur. Trump never served in the military and so would not have a military ID. The American individual has an ID because he is in the armed forces, not because he is a Muslim.
In any case, requiring people of a specific religion to carry an ID would be impossible in the US. Besides, many foreign-born people in the US already have special ID cards-green cards. |
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johnslat
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