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guobaoyobro
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 Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:25 am Post subject: "Must currently reside in Japan." - Finding work o |
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Hi there,
I'm 8 months out from a move, but am currently poking around a move to Japan.
I'll have a BA, 2 years experience at K-12 in China, and a 120 hour TESOL.
Despite Tokyo's amazing music scene, I'd want to shoot for Osaka or Kobe. I have friends there, and most good bands who tour, will come to these cities.
I'm fine with starting at the bottom, reasonably so, and don't mind working my butt off. I'm clean cut, and dress professionally.
That said, I'm a bit confused here.
The majority of jobs I'm seeing state you "must currently reside in Japan." Where does this leave those who want to seek work from outside Asia?
Obviously one could (and many do) come over on a tourist VISA at peak times, but Japan is expensive to hang out in.
What the feasibility of starting the process while in China, or setting up shop for a few months in a cheap city in SE Asia?
What's my best route aside from a "what if" scenario of flying in and dropping a few grand on the waiting game?
If I'm dead-wrong, or this is covered at length, I apologize, but I can't seem to find anything pertinent.
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Maitoshi
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| If I understand, the "must currently reside in Japan" is the job poster's way of letting you know they are unwilling or unable to sponsor a visa. If you are able to secure a visa on your own, they may be willing to work with you. |
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jesso92
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It could also be that they absolutely want to interview you in person first. There is a lot of medium-small size school chains that dont have the luxury to have offices abroad or events abroad to interview huge batches of foreigners. Those are the types of schools too, that will prefer to meet you in person before leaving you in charge of their kids as opposed to the Skype interview.
This one time I applied to a lot of companies, and this one school contacted me, they wanted to interview me a week after or something. They knew I needed a visa, they even knew I was not a native English speaker, but as soon as I told them I was not in Japan, they backed out. I guess some can't afford to deal with that hassle. |
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Maitoshi
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| In-person interviews are possible, even if you don't reside in Japan, no? If you are willing to fly in for the interview, what's the problem? |
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RM1983
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It pretty much means what it says. If they say it then they find it hassle to hire from outside, plus there are far too many teachers here already. They can fill that spot in a week, whereas hiring from abroad causes all manner of grief.
Working Holiday Visa if you can, if not then try the larger places that don't say that. |
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mingdynasty
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:53 pm Post subject: no |
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I had two skype interviews recently for Japan. One I didn't get, and the other cancelled the interview when they realised that I wasn't in Japan.
I don't understand how they can find people already in Japan since if you are already in Japan, you must be working somewhere so unable to interview for another job. |
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TokyoLiz
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| I don't understand how they can find people already in Japan since if you are already in Japan, you must be working somewhere so unable to interview for another job. |
Of course many non-Japanese holding visas are changing jobs or towns.
You're competing for jobs with people who are in country, holding one to three year work visas, dependent visas (family and spouses), permanent residents, recent graduates from universities here (there are a few that offer undergraduate and graduate programs in English), many of whom are bilingual and/or have teaching qualifications.
There are various routes into Japan. JET Program, working holiday visa if your country participates, eikaiwas that hire from abroad, or student visa. |
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kzjohn
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:43 am Post subject: Re: no |
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| mingdynasty wrote: |
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I don't understand how they can find people already in Japan since if you are already in Japan, you must be working somewhere so unable to interview for another job. |
In Japan, after the initial visa approval and you get set up, your visa no longer depends on your job (keeping in mind its normal expiration/renewal date). You can quit your job before the end of your visa period (and even before the end of your 'contract'), and keep your visa.
This is in very strong contrast to some other countries, which I will leave unnamed, where if you quit your job you are also effectively relinquishing or giving up your visa. |
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guobaoyobro
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Interesting...
I suppose I'll have to consider coming over for an extended stay, or figuring another way. |
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mingdynasty
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:47 am Post subject: no |
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| Would one still get hired if one were on a tourist visa in Japan then? Or do you only get hired in-country if you have a current employer? I'd prefer to stay home and get a job by skype. Not that that worked though. Never heard back from him nor from a ALT interview also over skype. |
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spiral78
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mingdynasty
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:37 pm Post subject: no |
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Just ignore the last poster. I'm a bonafide job seeker.
Would one still get hired if one were on a tourist visa in Japan then? Or do you only get hired in-country if you have a current employer? I'd prefer to stay home and get a job by skype. Not that that worked though. Never heard back from him nor from a ALT interview also over skype. |
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spiral78
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mingdynasty
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:47 pm Post subject: no |
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Just ignore the last poster. I'm a bonafide job seeker.
Would one still get hired if one were on a tourist visa in Japan then? Or do you only get hired in-country if you have a current employer? I'd prefer to stay home and get a job by skype. Not that that worked though. Never heard back from him nor from a ALT interview also over skype. |
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spiral78
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| I'm a bonafide job seeker. |
OH, I SEE! How could I have made such a mistake?!
Well, in that case, my best advice is that it's wise to focus gathering advice on one country, and ultimately to go there, and get started (as opposed to trolling all over the boards, wasting other people's time and energy, and never actually going anywhere for years on end). |
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