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If you hadn’t grown up in X, would you have chosen Y or Z?

 
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Hod



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:57 pm    Post subject: If you hadn’t grown up in X, would you have chosen Y or Z? Reply with quote

No land is perfect. All have good. All have bad.

That’s my motto, which I just made up, to express my view as the world citizen I am.

A reasonable person can complain about life abroad, but they’d be able to see the pros and cons of their adopted land just as they could see with their home country.

I have a UK passport, but I had no say in that. Four decades on, I don’t belong in any one place and am happy in many.

Outside of my native UK, I’ve lived and worked at length in Germany, Malaysia, Thailand and Morocco. As per my new motto, these places all have good and bad.

The UK has London (my amazing hometown), Lake District, sleepy villages, beer, cricket, football and humour I understand. It also has chavs, dull and whinging people, rain, no public transport and is fairly expensive.

Germany has Berlin, which for me is the best city on the planet. Forget the rest of the country. I love the way stuff just works, multikulti, security, beer, kebabs and I can hang out till 4am in a bar and still get a bus home. I just didn’t like the uptight people, and this is my only country in which I never made a genuine local friend.

Malaysia is a bit easier as my wife comes from there. Weather, food, eye candy, cheap, food, scenery, beaches, multikulti, etc. The only problem is I’ll always see it as the third world country it is. It’s corrupt, dangerous and crime ridden, with an inept government doing their best to promote unrest.

I only lived in Thailand for a year and a half and loved it. It’s a more homogenous and fun version of Malaysia with spicier food. It too is a third world country and way more corrupt and dangerous.

Morocco had the best people of the lot. Eleven years after leaving, I’m still in touch with the local staff. They never faked a welcome. I went to their homes, their naughty places, their illicit bars and Casablanca docks. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, though, that Star Wars 1 saw Obi-Wan Kenobi tell young Luke Skywalker outside that dodgy bar, “You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy”, whilst wearing a djellaba, the native dress of Morocco. Outside of tourist land, it’s a seriously scary place.

We can't choose where we're born, but if I had the choice, I wouldn't change a thing. I grew up in a safe and secular environment allowing me to be a free thinker.

Unlike Germany, I check left and right before I cross on green. Just maybe the other driver in the 38 tonne truck is wrong. Don’t blindly obey; many correct people are now in the graveyard.

How can a kid grow up in Malaysia with its three different races separated from kindergarten age? Inept governments and corrupt police mean you’re always looking over your shoulder, quite literally, in case a motorcycle is speeding along your pedestrian footpath.

Morocco is an Islamic country whether you like it or not if you’re born there. If you don’t believe or don’t fancy fasting at Ramadan, tough.

Having grown up in the UK, through no choice of my own, and later living and working in four other countries, I’m now more sure than ever that I was super lucky.

If H G Wells’ unnamed Time Traveller turned up right now offering me another home country in which to grow up in, I’d tell him to go find an Eloi, as I’m OK thanks very much.

Where would you have chosen to grow up?
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jpvanderwerf2001



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have chosen to grow up in Ireland (wish I could live there now). My experiences with Irish people and the country itself have been overwhelmingly positive. Also, what I wouldn't give for one of those accents!
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also happy with the luck of the draw - I've been to dozens of countries, but I like my country of origin.

Of course, if one were born and grew up in hell, one might get homesick in heaven. Very Happy

Regards,
John


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gregory999



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hod wrote:
We can't choose where we're born

Indeed, we can't choose where we're born ... and we can't choose where and when we are going to die.


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Where would you have chosen to grow up?

Denmark.
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bograt



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jpvanderwerf2001 wrote:
I would have chosen to grow up in Ireland (wish I could live there now). My experiences with Irish people and the country itself have been overwhelmingly positive. Also, what I wouldn't give for one of those accents!


I like Ireland and the Irish people but I couldn't take the weather. You can go for whole summers without a sunny day.
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Hod



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gregory999 wrote:
Denmark.


Upon what ground?
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Hod



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bograt wrote:
I like Ireland and the Irish people but I couldn't take the weather. You can go for whole summers without a sunny day.


I'm considering an Irish passport for when the UK's expelled from the EU, based on my Grandparents' nationality.

I wouldn't want to live there, though. I couldn't do with the religion and having only Guinness to drink, not to mention having to share Dublin with a non-stop procession of Brit stag nights.
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:12 am    Post subject: Drink! Reply with quote

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I couldn't do with the religion and having only Guinness to drink


If I had the money I'd head for the land of Father Ted. As for liquid refreshment, Murphy's Irish Stout is far superior to Guinness.
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D. Amokachi



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a lot I don't like about the UK but being born there gave me a UK passport which has enabled me to live and work all over the world. Most people aren't so lucky.
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gregory999



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hod wrote:
gregory999 wrote:
Denmark.


Upon what ground?

Denmark is the happiest country in the world:
1. The university is 100% FREE to attend
2. Has the happiest employees in the world.
3. If you lose your job, the government will pay 90% of your salary for up to 2 years!
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Hod



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gregory999 wrote:
3. If you lose your job, the government will pay 90% of your salary for up to 2 years!


The government doesn't pay this. You do with your taxes.

One reason I left Germany was the high taxes.
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