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		| kait 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:05 pm    Post subject: out of the loop |   |  
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				| Greetings! 
 I received my B.A. in TESOL in 1994.  I used it (to the degree one can use it and still be doing things "Japanese way") for a year in the JET Program, but I've not used it since.  I've taught life skills at an acute care psychiatric hospital, and although it hasn't always been easy to understand what some of the patients have been talking about, I don't think it counts as ESL experience.  My question is this.  Should I go through the trouble of getting an additional CELTA/Trinity certificate, or will my experience and education from the mid-90's be adequate for finding work in most countries?  I'm also wondering how many more opportunities would be available with a Master's degree.
 
 My second question is concerning money.  I hate that money is an issue, but at this point it is.  I have US sized debts, and so I need to look at countries that will pay enough to make a dent in my debt.  I suppose that Taiwan and Japan are 2 options.  What are others?
 
 Oh, and, it's nice to meet all of you.
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		| shmooj 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 3:05 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| You know you might want to consider that a degree is actually about learning something as opposed to a ticket to a job. I use my BA all the time in my teaching and I studied Architecture. In fact, I might well use the skills I picked up through the BA more than those I picked up through the MA in TESOL. Go figure. 
 
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		| PAULH 
 
 
 Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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 Location: Western Japan
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:46 am    Post subject: Re: out of the loop |   |  
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	  | kait wrote: |  
	  | Greetings! 
 Should I go through the trouble of getting an additional CELTA/Trinity certificate, or will my experience and education from the mid-90's be adequate for finding work in most countries?  I'm also wondering how many more opportunities would be available with a Master's degree.
 
 My second question is concerning money.  I hate that money is an issue, but at this point it is.  I have US sized debts, and so I need to look at countries that will pay enough to make a dent in my debt.  I suppose that Taiwan and Japan are 2 options.  What are others?
 
 
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 If you are thinking about Japan have a CELTA or a Trinity may not make a helluva lot of difference to your bottom line or to the types of jobs you get. It may position you for jobs at high schools or make you a more attractive candidate. You could work full time somewhere and pick up part time work but it would probably mean you do 50-60 hour weeks teaching English, working 7 days even.
 
 
 I would only recommend a Masters if you are thinking of university work, and a Masters degree will only get your foot in the door, teaching part time. Better paying full time jobs will require experience and publications as well. Hard to give you an accurate figure but full time university jobs pay around 5 million yen a year or $45,000 depending on age and experience so you should be able to save a bit of that and knock down some of the debt.
 
 Saudi Arabia or Middle East is an option but not a good place for Westeners/Americans right now.
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		| Brooks 
 
 
 Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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				|  Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:01 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| well, I disagree. Where I work, a M.A. degree is required for full-time work. I teach at a private high school in Tokyo. Don`t overlook high schools in Japan. 
 A man I used to study with got a MA in TESOL and got a good job at a college in Tainan, Taiwan. In Taiwan, as far as I know places of higher education wanted people with MA degrees, and a MA in TESOL set him apart.
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		| Gordon 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:12 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Brooks wrote: |  
	  | A man I used to study with got a MA in TESOL and got a good job at a college in Tainan, Taiwan. In Taiwan, as far as I know places of higher education wanted people with MA degrees, and a MA in TESOL set him apart.
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 If you want to work in Taiwan with a masters, just make sure your degree is not done by distance.
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