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Chroniclesoffreedom



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:27 am    Post subject: Petition for America. Realistic? Reply with quote

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/reaffirm-commitments-taiwan-roc-and-work-toward-recognizing-it-independent-and-sovereign-country

Well I found that link, and I'll tell you I think it's kinda funny that anyone would think that 100,000 signatures could move a federal administration to do anything such as what this petition aims for.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Chinese have made it very clear what they'll do if Taiwan attempts to break away from the Motherland. Petitions like this only add fuel to the fire. Taiwan needs to admit that sooner or later it'll need to reunify with China if peace in the region - indeed, in the world - is to be achieved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/03/international/asia/03CND-CHIN.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Chinese have made it very clear what they'll do if Taiwan attempts to break away from the Motherland. Petitions like this only add fuel to the fire. Taiwan needs to admit that sooner or later it'll need to reunify with China if peace in the region - indeed, in the world - is to be achieved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/03/international/asia/03CND-CHIN.html

Break away from the motherland? I assume Beijing issued the same warning to Shanghai, Suzhou, Sichuan, Inner Mongolia, and such?

To separate from the motherland, Taiwan would need to establish their own centralized government with a capital city and democratically elected leader which Beijing cannot veto. Taiwan cannot do that because that would be seen as separating from the motherland.

Taiwan better not establish their own military, air force, and navy which operates independently. No. That would be seen as separation from the motherland. The Diaoyu Islands are withing China's air defense zone. I guess Taiwan is also included as part of the air defense zone?

Taiwan better not have official diplomatic ties with 22 different countries. That would be seen as separating from the motherland. If you want to teach English in Taiwan, you need a visa from the PRC consulate.

It seems to me that Taiwan is already separate from the so called "motherland". Funny because the current PRC government never did rule Taiwan from the day the PRC government was formed. Declaring independence only means to change the ROC constitution, which means to change the constitutional title to "Taiwan Republic". That's it. It seems to me that Taiwan is already separate from China. I mean, was it the PRC Embassy or Consulate you ever had to deal with to get a visa for Taiwan? No. Assuming you come from a country that doesn't recognize Taipei, you had to go to a Taiwan representative office. Usually abbreviated TECO.

Taiwan is already separate. Plain and simple. Maintaining the status quo typically means to leave the constitution the way it is and continue functioning as a separate xountry the way Taiwan does.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chroniclesoffreedom wrote:
Taiwan is already separate. Plain and simple. Maintaining the status quo typically means to leave the constitution the way it is and continue functioning as a separate xountry the way Taiwan does.


The Chinese assume that Taiwan will eventually rejoin the Motherland and become a part of it as did HK and Macau. The Spratly's too are considered part of China so they too fall under Chinese influence and are not to be touched by other countries. From China's point of view, this is all about realpolitik: They are the mighty country in the region and they are not to be messed with. Forget what might be in an ideal world, the China of today is not the weak divided nation it used to be, but a very powerful force that is itching to test its military hardware in the region. Push China too far and it will react. Just watch.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/china-warns-us-against-provocative-actions-south-china-sea-1534434
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there was enough pressure on China to simply leave Taiwan alone, the CCP would just yield and cower. They are nothing more than a school yard bully. Once something gets too challenging for them, they'll just cower away. These articles and official statements CCP makes are just tough talk.

Besides China is already powerful enough even without Taiwan that they can effectively defend themselves against any foreign country. As a matter of fact, no country even threatens China because no country see's it in their interests today to occupy China. If China wants Taiwan today, it's only so they can expand their military capabilities beyond Asia. Has nothing to do with their internal security.

The Taiwan issue does not impact the daily lives of the chinese people. Making Taiwan part of China will not improve the livelihoods of the chinese people either. If Taiwan becomes part of China, the Taiwan issue will become one less smokescreen for the ccp to use to divert peole's attention away from domestic issues such as the Tuidang (quit ccp) movement and other stuff like that. Let's look at the issues that truly matter to the chinese people. Hmmm. Petitioners get rounded up in Beijing for petitioning illegal land grabs and illegal home demolitions and if they petition, they get put into black jails. All the off scale pollution that happens in chinese cities which effect the health of chinese people. All the social domestic issues that challenge the chinese people today have nothing to do with Taiwan and making Taiwan part of China would not solve any of the domestic issues that effect the livelihoods of chinese people at all. In fact, the livelihoods of Taiwan's people are way better because Beijing has never ruled Taiwan. Being independent how they are is the only reason why Taiwan's people have civil liberties, rights, and social freedoms that the chinese don't have. Imagine how much better China would be if somehow by some divine miracle China fell under Taipei's rule.

The CCP does not care even a little bit about their national integrity. The CCP would sell out half the chinese nation to a foreign power if they had to, if it meant the CCP could become 10x more influential in world affairs. CCP talks tough. They say they are willing to make whatever sacrifices are necessary to bring so called "unity" to the chinese nation. Yeah. Just as long as it doesn't involve sacrificing their one party rule and existence. Just as long as it doesn't involve lifting the ban on falun gong. Just as long as it doesn't involve abolishing the great internet firewall. Just as long as it doesn't involve allowing lawyers such as Gao Zhisheng to freely leave China to be with his family in exile to America.

The CCP has a history of selling out chinese territory to appease a foreign power. They did it to appease the Soviet Union. At this point, relations with a foreign power became way more important than the integrity of the chinese nation. If selling out half the chinese nation would somehow make the CCP more influential in world affairs, they'd do it. Here's proof from the nine commentaries.
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“Liberate Taiwan” and “Unify Taiwan” have been the CCP’s propaganda slogans over the past few decades. By means of this propaganda, the CCP has acted like a nationalist and a patriot. Does the CCP truly care about the integrity of the nation’s territory? Not at all. Taiwan is merely a historic problem caused by the struggle between the CCP and KMT, and it is a means that the CCP uses to strike at its opponents and win people’s support.

In the early days when the CCP set up the “Chinese Soviet” during the KMT reign, Article 14 of its constitution stated that “any ethnic groups or any provinces inside China can claim independence.” In order to comply with the Soviet Union, the CCP’s slogan back then was “Protect the Soviet.” During the Sino-Japanese War, the primary goal of the CCP was to seize the opportunity to increase itself rather than to fight against Japanese intruders. In 1945 the Soviet Red Army entered Northeast China and committed robbery, murder, and rape, but the CCP did not utter a word of disapproval. Similarly, when the Soviet Union supported Outer Mongolia to become independent from China, the CCP was once again silent.

At the end of 1999, the CCP and Russia signed the China-Russia Border Survey Agreement, in which the CCP accepted all the unequal agreements between the Qing Dynasty and Russia made more than 100 years ago, and sold out over one million square kilometers of land to Russia, an area as large as several dozen Taiwans. In 2004, the CCP and Russia signed a China-Russia Eastern Border Supplemental Agreement and reportedly lost sovereignty of half of the Heixiazi Island in Heilongjiang Province to Russia again.

Regarding other border issues such as the Nansha Islands and Diaoyu Island, the CCP does not care at all since these issues do not impact the CCP’s control of power. The CCP has made a fanfare of “Unifying Taiwan,” which was merely a smoke screen and devious means for inciting blind patriotism and keeping the public attention off domestic conflict.


Also, the chinese communist party are not the heros many chinese believe them to be. I won't go to far here, except to say that Mao himself thanked the Japanese for invading China. Reason is because the Japanese helped the CCP defeat the KMT. Therefore Japan doesn't need to apologize. Also Mao himself said that the best way to control the people is through the barrel of a gun. He learned that from the Japanese. Oddly enough, the CCP came to power and maintained their power in China the same way the Japanese did. Atrocities and mass murder were comitted by both. If Japan still occupied China to this day, by now the Chinese society would be almost the same as how it is now. Being ruled by the Japanese? Or being ruled by the CCP? What difference would it make today? Besides, researching history you will find that the CCP did almost nothing to fight the Japanese. Show's how patriotic and self sacrificial the CCP is.

The CCP serves itself before the chinese nation. They say they would do anything in the name of the interests of Chinese people. Yeah. But the central leaders of China would never die in the name of chinese people's interests.

Only thing I am trying to say to sum it all up is this. Threatening Taiwan the way China does now, and doing everything that they are doing to Taiwan. If Taiwan became too big of a challenge to China, then China would simply drop it. Remember in 1988 Taiwan had a nuclear weapons program. America pressured Taiwan to shut down that program. If America stood by and watched Taiwan become a nuclear armed power, China would certainly not be willing to sacrifice Shanghai to occupy Taiwan. China only does what they do only because they feel Taiwan shouldn't be too big of a challenge. http://thinking-taiwan.com/mit-a-bomb-made-in-taiwan/

I know we may disagree on things and that's fine. I just want to reiterate that my intentions are to keep my postings civil.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chroniclesoffreedom wrote:
The Taiwan issue does not impact the daily lives of the chinese people. Making Taiwan part of China will not improve the livelihoods of the chinese people either.


True, but the Chinese people have never meant much to their leaders, and this situation hasn't changed. They are simply canon fodder. The leaders call the shots and it is they who'll give the orders to bomb Taiwan if Taiwan continues to provoke China. The issue here really is one of face. The leaders of the CCP have a little island on its doorstep challenging its hegemony in the region and that is simply unacceptable. China is the Father and Taiwan is the son, and the Confucian spirit that the aging mandarins of the CCP cling to is still very much alive and demands obedience from the unruly child. If the child goes too far and attempts to threaten the power of the father then the father will need to put the son in its place quickly. It happened during the Tiananmen Student Uprising back in 1989 and will happen again if Taiwan pushes the envelope too far. China has been clear and warned Taiwan what will happen if they kick up a fuss. Can we be surprised if there is a reaction?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

romanworld wrote:
Chroniclesoffreedom wrote:
The Taiwan issue does not impact the daily lives of the chinese people. Making Taiwan part of China will not improve the livelihoods of the chinese people either.


True, but the Chinese people have never meant much to their leaders, and this situation hasn't changed. They are simply canon fodder. The leaders call the shots and it is they who'll give the orders to bomb Taiwan if Taiwan continues to provoke China. The issue here really is one of face. The leaders of the CCP have a little island on its doorstep challenging its hegemony in the region and that is simply unacceptable. China is the Father and Taiwan is the son, and the Confucian spirit that the aging mandarins of the CCP cling to is still very much alive and demands obedience from the unruly child. If the child goes too far and attempts to threaten the power of the father then the father will need to put the son in its place quickly. It happened during the Tiananmen Student Uprising back in 1989 and will happen again if Taiwan pushes the envelope too far. China has been clear and warned Taiwan what will happen if they kick up a fuss. Can we be surprised if there is a reaction?

China isn't the father at all. Here's why. All of Taiwan's achievements in terms of their social freedoms, liberties, and overall democracy as well as the fact their economy has blossomed in ways the chinese economy hasn't, well CCP has never made any contributions to Taiwan's achievements at all. Taiwan has a system much more mature than China's and corrupt politicians can be held more accountable for things too. In fact if Taiwan was part of China all these years, all that would've done was hold Taiwan back. Sorry but the father son thing is wrong. Just look at how well Taiwan flourished compared to China.

Also, China is the one doing all the provoking. Not Taiwan. Everything Taiwan does is simply retalitory. China builds missiles aiming at Taiwan. They always made repeated threats. All the bullying the CCP does, well it's not surprising when Taiwan retaliates by doing certain things the way they do. Then China acts like they're the victim. Besides, if Taiwan chooses not to retaliate at all, no weapons developement, no enhancing the maturity of Taiwan's democracy, remaining silent on certain issues, do you think China would stop bullying Taiwan? No. Whether Taiwan retaliates to certain issues or not, China will always be trying to undermine Taiwan. Whether Taiwan does anything or not.

About putting a son in place like at Tiananmen Square. China lost alot of face that time. Remember the Hong Kong uprisings a couple years ago? The reason why a massacre could not happen and the reason why massacre's aren't so common in China today is because if they do so, then too much foreign capital would be pulled out of China. And it would hurt their international image.

Also, confucious has no place regarding this issue. It's not about confusionism. When the CCP came to power, they saw that much of China's traditional culture, heritage, and overall belief systems were inconsistant to the Soviet made CCP system itself. Research the cultural revolution. Much of China's cultural heritage was destroyed. Any Buddhism, Confucianism, Daoism, or any of that stuff taught to the Chinese today is nothing more than a party approved melted down version of everything. So as you can see, chinese culture doesn't fit well with the communist party. The CCP may act like it does, but only few aspects of chinese culture exists within China and the CCP only allows what's convenient for them.

And I will say this. China bullys Taiwan only because they have bigger guns. Plain and simple. If Taiwan developed big guns which made it impossible for China to take over Taiwan without suffering intense damage to their city business centers, airports, nuclear power plants, three gorges dam. China would never do it. They may win and conquer the island, but they would lose more than what they would gain. The economic damage would cost billions more dollars than what Taiwan is worth to fix. Probably more than what China could even afford. So... I say Taiwan just needs to get the electromagnetic high speed rail guns, and develope as many missiles as they can secretly, and they'd be fine.

China has way too many problems within their own country to worry about Taiwan anyway. They have thousands of people quitting the CCP every day. The CCP's days are numbered. And the CCP only cares about Taiwan when it's convenient. The Jiang Zemin fraction of the CCP and officials under him have been pulled down from power. And believe me, people such as Bo Xilai and other top officials who are purged from the party... The last thing they are gonna care about is Taiwan.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chroniclesoffreedom wrote:
And I will say this. China bullys Taiwan only because they have bigger guns. Plain and simple.


And that's it in a nutshell.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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China would never do it.


Really? Recent provocations by Taiwan and America are pushing China further into a face-saving invasion. If Taiwan is a truly peaceful nation, as it likes to boast, then why the provocative action? Obviously Taiwan doesn't know its place in the Confucian hierarchy.

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/national/national-news/2016/01/31/457440/1st-Spratlys.htm

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/national/national-news/2016/01/29/457279/Ma-visits.htm

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/30/us-and-china-agree-to-cooperate-despite-tensions-over-south-china-sea
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

romanworld wrote:
Chroniclesoffreedom wrote:
China would never do it.


Really? Recent provocations by Taiwan and America are pushing China further into a face-saving invasion. If Taiwan is a truly peaceful nation, as it likes to boast, then why the provocative action? Obviously Taiwan doesn't know its place in the Confucian hierarchy.

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/national/national-news/2016/01/31/457440/1st-Spratlys.htm

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/national/national-news/2016/01/29/457279/Ma-visits.htm

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/30/us-and-china-agree-to-cooperate-despite-tensions-over-south-china-sea


The ccp is provocative. And again, it has nothing to do with confucianism. let's take all the things beijing has ever accused Taiwan of doing that is provokative. Assume for arguements sake Taiwan didn't do whatever those things are. Whatever it is China says is provokative. China would never stop adding missiles or building up their military threats. They would always try to isolate Taiwan no matter what. Anything Taiwan does is just retalitory.

Comparing China to Taiwan is like comparing nazi Germany to France or England. Germany was the aggressor. In this case, China is the aggressor and always will be. Like I mentioned before. Taiwan doesn't have big guns. If they did, China would back off. All America would have to do is arm Taiwan with all the advanced missiles and weaponry they could to make Taiwan very powerful and China wouldn't do a thing. Sure China would win, but not without sacrificing so much of their own infastructure in their major cities. They wouldn't do it.

And again, confucianism has nothing to do with it. Actually, if confucianism does have anything to do with anything, it would be the reason why Taiwan resists Beijing. The reason would be cause the CCP originated as a rebel group, a disobedient child more less who wouldn't surrender to authority, and also a regime which destroyed original chinese culture during the cultural revolution and made a party approved version of confucianism. The CCP and authentic chinese culture can't co exist with each other. Taiwan won't surrender to a regime that started off as a rebel child who went against all aspects of authentic confucianism and such.

Regardless, there are thousands of people every day quitting the chinese communist party. It's called the tuidang movement. The CCP's days are numbered. When that day comes, Taiwan may not have anything to worry about at that time.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chroniclesoffreedom wrote:
Regardless, there are thousands of people every day quitting the chinese communist party. It's called the tuidang movement. The CCP's days are numbered. When that day comes, Taiwan may not have anything to worry about at that time.


If there is one fact it is this: The CCP in China has an iron grip on the Chinese people. Any sign of dissent or fragmentation is dealt with quickly and decisively, whether it be the Muslim Uighurs, the Tibetans, wayward artists like Ai WeiWei, political dissidents such as Liu Xiaobo, or rogue states like Taiwan. Taiwan hasn't made an official declaration of independence yet, but if it does the Chinese hammer will come down hard on the Taiwanese anvil. The recent election win of DDP candidate, Tsai Ing-Wen, is a concern for China. It was quick to advise Taiwan to give up any dreams of independence, calling them "hallucinations". As I said before, push China too far and there will be consequences. It's not as if China hasn't been transparent about its intentions:

But the official Xinhua news agency also warned any moves towards independence were like a "poison" that would cause Taiwan to perish.

http://www.reuters.com/article/taiwan-election-idUSKCN0UV02I
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The real issue is that Taiwan has certain liberties and freedoms restricted in china. And now China wants to take all that away from them. Today it's not about independence vs incorporation. It's about democracy, liberty, and freedom vs strict totalitarianism and fascism.

Taiwan is not a rogue state. China is. The ccp was a rogue party that came to power the way they did. They see the advantage they have over Taiwan and that's the only reason they push Taiwan. Has nothing to do with whether or not Taiwan does or doesn't belong to China. if threatening Taiwan somehow compromised ccp's one party rule and control of power over China, they wouldn't do it. If the only way to realistically make Taiwan part of China involves lifting the ban on falun gong, getting rid of the internet firewall, and all that China would never do it.

Even if Taiwan does become part of China, the people of Taiwan will never think how the people of china do. It won't do China any good.

And as I said, there are thousands of people quitting the ccp every day. China has more to worry about besides Taiwan.

As I said, Taiwan isn't a rogue state. Look at Taiwan's democratic freedom and liberty and compare it to the lack of freedom China's people have. It's obvious China is a rogue state with big guns.

If China was really this serious over the issue, they would've invaded Taiwan years ago. You make it sound like China doesn't tolerate certain things for far too long. If they were that serious about things, Taiwan would've already been invaded. Like in 1996, they fired missiles into the Taiwan straight rivers. America's aircraft carriers showed up. China backed off. If China was that serious, they wouldn't let America intiminate them, they would've attacked Taiwan before the elections. No matter what sacrifice they had to make. They would've risked it all if they were that serious.

China is nothing more than a big bully who talks tough. And they are nothing more than a country operated by a rogue government. Taiwan today is everything China could have been if the ccp lost the civil war.
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If China was really this serious over the issue, they would've invaded Taiwan years ago.


Not necessarily. China is an old civilisation and knows how to play the waiting game. It will strike when the time is right. That time is coming for a number of reasons: 1. The election of a new DDP government is seen by the Chinese government as a move towards independence and that will not be tolerated; 2. China has a very powerful military that it is itching to try out; 3. America is using Taiwan as a pawn in a very dangerous political game to test and provoke China; 4. The Chinese economy is showing signs of faltering and this will raise anxiety levels in the country; 5. The Chinese population, despite the one-child policy, continues to grow and this will put a strain on the country's limited resources and lead to expansionist activities in the region.

China is now play a waiting game. Waiting for Taiwan to make a mistake and thus giving China an excuse to invade and bring Taiwan and its people back into the fold. If Taiwan doesn't give China a reason to invade, then China may simply manufacture an incident. It's been done many times before as an excuse to start a war.
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If Taiwan somehow developes enough of their own missiles to the point where China can't take over Taiwan without sacrificing some of their major city business centers and some of their own nuclear factories, they simply won't even do it.

And again, the only one provoking anything is China. Anything Taiwan does is simply retalitory. Most people in Taiwan hate China. So many anti China protests take place on a regular basis. Hmmm.... I wonder why? And China condemns that and sees it as provokative? Funny.... Because China sees Taiwan exactly how Japan once saw China. Meaning that Taiwan's people hate China for the same reasons China hates Japan.

Oh and those news articles where China talks all tough, well North Korea talks just as tough, usually. But we all know North Korea will never actually do anything. Because they know they will lose.

Besides once enough people in China quit the ccp, Beijing is gonna have a whole new set of problems to deal with.
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Chroniclesoffreedom wrote:
If Taiwan somehow developes enough of their own missiles to the point where China can't take over Taiwan without sacrificing some of their major city business centers and some of their own nuclear factories, they simply won't even do it.

Oh and those news articles where China talks all tough, well North Korea talks just as tough, usually. But we all know North Korea will never actually do anything. Because they know they will lose.


I'm not sure China is interested in launching missiles . . . a simple conventional war with Taiwan would be just as effective and would be over in a matter of days.

North Korea, a friend of China, is another state that shouldn't be underestimated. Yes, there are a lot of threats coming out the mouth of Kim Jong-un, but only a fool would ignore them. Just today North Korea has put the West on edge by launching a long-range rocket capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. Countries usually develop things so that they can use them, right?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/07/us-south-korea-to-discuss-deployment-missile-defense-system.html
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