Job Discussion Forums

Mingvase · Joined: 19 Jan 2016 Posts: 62

All LOW offers of employment. Dragon school are offering up to 15000 with free accommodation in Shanghai and that's the best I've seen today. They don't reimburse flights though from what I can see. Korea seems a better option cos they prepay your flight and you get free accommodation. I will have to make my mind up whether to apply to Dragon I guess. It's a lot to fork out in advance a flight is. What if they don't like you when you get there and send you packing. Do they have to honour the contract or do they regularly break them? You're all suckers paying upfront for flights. If no one did it, they'd have to start paying upfront. It sucks!

Non Sequitur · Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China

They are not 'offers', they are 'advertisements'.

LarssonCrew · Joined: 06 Jun 2009 Posts: 1308

I agree, generally offers in China are getting worse and worse.

12000 for M-F 8-5 in a Kindergarten for 12,000 without a house?

After tax that's 10500 or so PLUS you gotta fork out 6000 for anywhere decent.

Best I saw was Nanjing 16000 + housing for 22 hours a week, leaves plenty of time for privates.

OhBudPowellWhereArtThou · Joined: 02 Jun 2015 Posts: 1168 Location: Since 2003

mike w · Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:42 pm Post subject:

The inference from the title suggests that although the salaries are no good for an Englishman, they are OK for an American, Canadian, Australian etc.

Why would that be?

Guerciotti · Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:34 am Post subject:

spiral78 · Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash

This OP is generally unimpressed with EFL opportunities open to him based on internet searches. Here he is complaining about jobs advertised in Germany:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=113232

Looks like he wants a job that offers a high wage when translated into GBP plus all up front expenses covered; this is the usual approach of job candidates who have basically no savings and an inflated notion of how valuable they should be on the EFL job market (this may be why 'Englishman' appears in the title of this thread - certainly the whole world is enchanted with them, and there aren't enough to fill demand;-).

The 'sucker' remark will also turn off any would-be employers hanging about here (and employers DO hang around Dave's from time to time; I know a number of European employers who are also members here).

I'd be interested if the OP has any related qualifications or experience. Wink

bograt · Joined: 12 Nov 2014 Posts: 331

Mingvase · Joined: 19 Jan 2016 Posts: 62

I can't get back to Saudi I think because my previous employer won't give me a letter of recommendation which is needed for another visa. They are all asking for English related degrees now in the Middle East. Well a lot of ads say so anyway and mine's in music so it is a bit more difficult to secure a job than it was 5 years ago when I was there. I have got an interview for a maths teacher post next week in the ME. The money should be good but then you have to live in the ME!! I thought China would be the next best option (or Germany) but it is all freelance work in Germany and I don't want to spend my savings on setting up a room in Germany (or China) if I can help it.

nomad soul · Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world

Mingvase · Joined: 19 Jan 2016 Posts: 62

It's a lot of hassle teaching music and maths is easier to manage. I have an A level in maths and have taught it before in UK schools up to GCSE level. I can't teach A level as it is beyond me. I am a qualified teacher with a teacher's licence so the money should be quite good in the ME.

nomad soul · Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world

Shanghai Noon · Joined: 18 Aug 2013 Posts: 589 Location: Shanghai, China

Getting a high paying job in China from the UK is going to be difficult. There are a lot of fakers in China, and employers are naturally suspicious. Most high paying positions are found by people who are already in the country and have their permits in order. I've had three international school positions. I got them all from connections and didn't get hired until after a demo class.

At my old job my boss gave me a glimpse of the hiring process. I can't tell you the number of applicants who had fake credentials and/or lied about their nationality. If your past work experience can't be verified easily by a Chinese employer, it might not be taken very seriously.

Mingvase · Joined: 19 Jan 2016 Posts: 62

I had an interview with WS but they didn't offer me a job. I've just had my application to teach maths rejected by the education council of the country I was going to work in so they don't want me to go for an interview now. Probably cos I don't have a degree in maths I guess. Pity as it would most likely be more than £2000 a month. I dunno how much the international schools pay for subject teachers in China. There;s a few music posts going on TES website. Looks like I'll be stuck on the dole for a while now. That's only £500 a month but I have my own house here in the UK so no mortage to pay.

eihpos · Joined: 14 Dec 2008 Posts: 331

Try Dipont in China maybe...? Had a couple of friends working for them as subject teachers, one English and one Science, maybe there are music teacher posts. Think the money was ok and they both had really nice apartments.