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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:48 pm    Post subject: Julian Assange Reply with quote

I wouldn´t want to be in his place but the ball is now in his court. Come out Julian and face justice in one of the most civilized lands on our planet (Sweden). Maybe the Ecuadorians should tell Julian to sling his hook. This could run for years. Sad
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gregory999



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Julian Assange Reply with quote

sheikh radlinrol wrote:
Come out Julian and face justice in one of the most civilized lands on our planet (Sweden). Maybe the Ecuadorians should tell Julian to sling his hook. This could run for years. Sad

The Swedish will sell him to the USA, in politics civilized lands do not exist. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Despite the US not having made an extradition request, US Attorney General Eric Holder has previously said American officials were pursuing a "very serious criminal investigation" into the matter.

Mr Assange has also pointed to the case of Chelsea Manning, an ex American soldier formerly known as Private Bradley Manning, who was sentenced to 35 years in prison in the US for leaking classified material to Wikileaks.

However, legal experts have pointed out several obstacles any extradition and subsequent prosecution in the US would have to overcome.

Correspondents say that Sweden could apply a more stringent test than that used when an extradition is sought from the United Kingdom.

Also, even though the extradition would be according to Swedish law, the UK's approval would be needed.

Mr Assange's supporters have asked Sweden to guarantee that he would not be extradited to the US, which Swedish officials say they cannot legally do.

Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt has however insisted that his country would not extradite a suspect to a country where they would face the death penalty."

" Highly doubtful. Sweden’s extradition agreement with the United States, signed in 1961 and updated in 1983, prohibits extradition on the basis of "a political offense" or "an offense connected with a political offense." The agreement does not specify what constitutes a "political offense." Whether the Swedish supreme court would rule to extradite Assange largely depends on what charges the secret U.S. grand jury brings against him.

If Assange is accused of espionage, Sweden most certainly would not comply, as its courts have consistently determined that espionage constitutes a political offense. For example, in 1992 Sweden refused to extradite Edward Lee Howard, the only CIA agent to defect to the Soviet Union, to the United States. Charged with espionage, Swedish courts ruled that those accusations amounted to the kind of "political offense" specified in the extradition agreement.

But that legal gray area also threatens Assange’s legal prospects. The U.S. Justice Department is surely aware of these restrictions and precedents and may instead slap Assange with a more creative set of charges — cyber crime or theft, perhaps.

He would still have some recourse under the Swedish legal system, however. When Assange first went into hiding, Foreign Policy discussed his case with UIf Wallentheim, the director of the division for criminal cases and international judicial cooperation at the Swedish Ministry of Justice. He said that Swedish courts tend to see through such ploys to circumvent Swedish extradition agreements’ exceptions. Swedish judges often examine a case’s underlying factors when making their determinations, he said."

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John
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
"But that legal gray area also threatens Assange’s legal prospects. The U.S. Justice Department is surely aware of these restrictions and precedents and may instead slap Assange with a more creative set of charges — cyber crime or theft, perhaps.

.... or kidnap him, or drone him with a CIA unmanned craft.

"He said he thought it was unlikely he would be shot, but that he worried that if he was freed he could be kidnapped by the CIA.

“I’m a white guy,” Assange said. “Unless I convert to Islam it’s not that likely that I’ll be droned, but we have seen things creeping towards that.”
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/29/julian-assange-told-edward-snowdon-not-seek-asylum-in-latin-america
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assange certainly knows how to p*** people off. Especially those dudes in Langley.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gregory999 wrote:


“I’m a white guy,” Assange said. “Unless I convert to Islam it’s not that likely that I’ll be droned, but we have seen things creeping towards that.”
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/29/julian-assange-told-edward-snowdon-not-seek-asylum-in-latin-america


It's more like if he converts to Mohammedism and then travels and stays in the Middle East that he might get hit by a drone, but then again we've seen precedence for hitting those types under certain conditions, take for instance Jihadi John and other American and European terrorists that either have been hit or are likely to.

I don't recall the US kidnapping anybody out of Sweden before. although the Israelis are quite adept at that kind of stuff. Look at how they kidnapped Eichmann out of South America.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assange was arrested in London in 2010 under a European arrest warrant issued by Sweden over rape and sexual assault allegations. He claimed asylum in 2012 in London's Ecuadorean Embassy. Instead of cooperating with the Swedish authorities as he should have done, Assange has chosen to hole up in a foreign embassy, deliberately frustrating a serious criminal investigation.

The extradition warrant still stands and Britain and Sweden remain adamant that the UN report changes nothing. To describe his situation as ' arbitrary detention' is ludicrous. He can come out at any time he chooses but can be expected to be arrested.

Assange is now locked in a three nation war of words and it looks as if he is not going anywhere fast or soon. Assange is fearful of a potential future extradition to the US, where a secret grand jury has been looking into whether to prosecute him over Wiki Leak's publishing activities.

Now the call for compensation for Assange is particularly controversial when there is already public anger in London over the cost of policing his confinement at the embassy. From June 2012 to October 2015, it has already cost 12.6 million pounds. The British Foreign Secretary has described the UN findings as ' ridiculous' and Assange as ' a fugitive from justice'.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

plumpy nut wrote:
It's more like if he converts to Mohammedism ...

There is no such religion called Mohammedism (the term is a misnomer and archaic), it is the religion of Islam.

plumpy nut wrote:
I don't recall the US kidnapping anybody out of Sweden before.

Really?
What about CIA kidnapping of people in Sweden in 2001 (it seems you were sleeping and dreaming of Disneyland when the story happened!) - Watch and re-recall this:

Extraordinary rendition provoked a diplomatic crisis between the United States and Sweden in 2006 when Swedish authorities put a stop to CIA rendition flights. In December 2001 Swedish police detained Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad al-Zery, two Egyptians who had been seeking asylum in Sweden. The police took them to Bromma airport in Stockholm, and then stood aside as masked alleged CIA operatives cut their clothes from their bodies, inserted drugged suppositories in their anuses, and dressed them in diapers and overalls, handcuffed and chained them and put them on an executive jet with American registration N379P. They were flown to Egypt, where they were imprisoned, beaten, and tortured according to extensive investigate reports by Swedish programme "Kalla fakta". A Swedish Parliamentary investigator concluded that the degrading and inhuman treatment of the two prisoners violated Swedish law.[158] In 2006 the United Nations found Sweden had violated an international torture ban in its complicity in the CIA's transfer of al-Zari to Egypt.[159] Sweden imposed strict rules on rendition flights, but Swedish Military Intelligence posing as airport personnel who boarded one of two subsequent extraordinary rendition flights in 2006 during a stopover at Stockholm's Arlanda International Airport found the Swedish restrictions were being ignored.] In 2008 the Swedish government awarded al-Zery $500,000 in damages for the abuse he received in Sweden and the subsequent torture in Egypt.

...and more CIA kidnapping stories in Europe can be found here ..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition#Sweden
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dedicated wrote:


Now the call for compensation for Assange is particularly controversial when there is already public anger in London over the cost of policing his confinement at the embassy. From June 2012 to October 2015, it has already cost 12.6 million pounds. The British Foreign Secretary has described the UN findings as ' ridiculous' and Assange as ' a fugitive from justice'.

Agreed. Julian should compensate us. If he is innocent, as I think he may well be, then he should cooperate with the Swedes, prove his innocence in a Swedish court and go home to his children.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:40 pm    Post subject: Restorative justice? Reply with quote

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Julian should compensate us.


Cheque, please!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Restorative justice? Reply with quote

grahamb wrote:
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Julian should compensate us.


Cheque, please!

Sorry, cheques are not acceptable, payment should be by direct debit, or by credit/debit cards! Laughing

I think Britain and Sweden should award Assange £500,000 for each year he spent as an arbitrary detention in the Ecuadorian embassy and not allowing him to visit his children.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Restorative justice? Reply with quote

grahamb wrote:
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Julian should compensate us.


Cheque, please!

No cheques, please! Cash up front, mate! Julian has a history of shitting on friends, one of whom put up bail and lost his cash, I believe. I´m willing to stand corrected on this and retract my comment if I´m proved wrong. His cheques are rubbery.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assange has NOT been detained. He is free to go. This is not detention, this is hiding.

Many Brit luvvies, such as Jemima Khan, deserted his cause after he skipped bail and fled to the embassy.

Three members of a UN panel - from those vibrant democracies South Korea, Mexico and Benin - decided that the UK had detained Assange wrongly and that he should be 'released' and paid compensation.

Why on earth should he receive compensation?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dedicated wrote:
Why on earth should he receive compensation?

Because he exposed the truth about evil empires and their war on whistleblowers.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely at some point the Ecuadorian ambassador must be told that he is abusing the privileges afforded to his country in London. The purpose of having an embassy is to promote his country´s interests in the UK and guarantee the well-being of Ecuadorian citizens there. Also, to foster good relations between the two nations.
The role of the embassy is not to shield fugitives sought by our European partners and allies. Let´s break off relations with Ecuador, tell their Embajador to f*** off back to Quito, close the embassy and hand Julian over to the Swedes.
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