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ord2world
Joined: 20 May 2010
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Location: Jerez de la Frontera, Spain
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 Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:16 pm Post subject: Questions Regarding Language Links Hanoi 2016 |
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Hello gang!
I'm going to apply for Language Links in Hanoi and have a few questions. Are any of you currently working there? Their website states TEFL certifications earned online won't be accepted. However, I've got about four years of teaching experience and a bachelor's degree. I also taught in Haiphong for about four months.
Will this suffice in lieu of not receiving an in-class TEFL? I just sent a few questions to the current teachers at Language Links, but I'm growing anxious. I'd like register for this course soon!
Much obliged,
Ord2world |
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Mattingly
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Questions Regarding Language Links Hanoi 2016 |
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| ord2world wrote: |
Hello gang!
I'm going to apply for Language Links in Hanoi and have a few questions. Are any of you currently working there? Their website states TEFL certifications earned online won't be accepted. However, I've got about four years of teaching experience and a bachelor's degree. I also taught in Haiphong for about four months.
Will this suffice in lieu of not receiving an in-class TEFL? I just sent a few questions to the current teachers at Language Links, but I'm growing anxious. I'd like register for this course soon!
Much obliged,
Ord2world |
Seriously, I would email and ask the recruiter or HR at this school. |
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ord2world
Joined: 20 May 2010
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Location: Jerez de la Frontera, Spain
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, that's the obvious answer. I'd rather go through current teachers, but I'm waiting for a reply. Do you know of any? |
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Mattingly
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| Yes, that's the obvious answer. I'd rather go through current teachers, but I'm waiting for a reply. Do you know of any? |
I know some teachers at Language Link.
I'll ask them tonight.
Please note: LL states online TEFL certs are not accepted.
That means, an in-house/on campus 120 hour TEFL cert with observations (such as the CELTA) are accepted.
You do not have ANY on-campus tefl cert or celta.
A BA/BS is a requirement: you have it.
You have a little experience of 4 months. That helps.
You do NOT have an on-campus TEFL or CELTA.
Language Link has always required an on-campus telf/celta and still does.
They have had a LOT of low quality inexperienced teachers. Believe me, I know.
Taking a 4-week course is the minimum one can do. |
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ExpatLuke
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I have a feeling that having 4 years of experience will suffice in place of the in-house tefl certificate. But it depends on what kind of experience it is. As long as it fits with their target age group which they want you to teach, and as long as it was done a reputable school... it should be fine.
In most cases, experience is more valuable than what kind of credentials you hold. But if you just got your online certificate and have been teaching in mom-and-pop language mills for 10 years, it's likely you have no idea how to properly teach... |
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ord2world
Joined: 20 May 2010
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Location: Jerez de la Frontera, Spain
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:38 am Post subject: |
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That's exactly what I was thinking. Their website states online TEFLs won't be accepted. I completely agree with this if you're a new teacher. A lot of schools do this because of the missing teaching practicum. I truly believe my four years of experience teaching abroad and familiarity with Vietnamese students should be considered.
I'm serious about teaching and will most likely get a CELTA later on, but it's impossible on this pittance the Spanish government pays me.
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I have a feeling that having 4 years of experience will suffice in place of the in-house tefl certificate. But it depends on what kind of experience it is. As long as it fits with their target age group which they want you to teach, and as long as it was done a reputable school... it should be fine.
In most cases, experience is more valuable than what kind of credentials you hold. But if you just got your online certificate and have been teaching in mom-and-pop language mills for 10 years, it's likely you have no idea how to properly teach... |
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ord2world
Joined: 20 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Thank you, Matt! Oh yes...I'm aware of the low quality, backpacker type teachers working all over South-East Asia. hahahahaha I'm NOT one of them.
Hanoi will be my home for at least five years, so I'm seriously trying to find schools I can stay with long-term. I have friends working in Hanoi, but they're busy chasing teaching work at language mills.
Language Links has a great reputation for teacher retention, upbeat students, classroom resources and working schedules. They'll have a teacher for at least five years if hired.
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| ord2world wrote: |
| Yes, that's the obvious answer. I'd rather go through current teachers, but I'm waiting for a reply. Do you know of any? |
I know some teachers at Language Link.
I'll ask them tonight.
Please note: LL states online TEFL certs are not accepted.
That means, an in-house/on campus 120 hour TEFL cert with observations (such as the CELTA) are accepted.
You do not have ANY on-campus tefl cert or celta.
A BA/BS is a requirement: you have it.
You have a little experience of 4 months. That helps.
You do NOT have an on-campus TEFL or CELTA.
Language Link has always required an on-campus telf/celta and still does.
They have had a LOT of low quality inexperienced teachers. Believe me, I know.
Taking a 4-week course is the minimum one can do. |
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Mattingly
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| ord2world wrote: |
Thank you, Matt! Oh yes...I'm aware of the low quality, backpacker type teachers working all over South-East Asia. hahahahaha I'm NOT one of them.
Hanoi will be my home for at least five years, so I'm seriously trying to find schools I can stay with long-term. I have friends working in Hanoi, but they're busy chasing teaching work at language mills.
Language Links has a great reputation for teacher retention, upbeat students, classroom resources and working schedules. They'll have a teacher for at least five years if hired. |
4 years experience is valued.
Are you Spanish? That is OK but you're not a "native" speaker so they will try to pay less (perhaps).
LL pays a lot less now. They lowered their pay-scale and they'll likely try to put you into their "School Link" program in public schools.
The turnover rate at Language is medium to high.
Nobody, NOBODY, stays 5 years, let alone 2 years.
It's a language mill business and the bottom of the pile.
That said, it'll be a good introduction for you to get your foot in the door in Hanoi. |
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ord2world
Joined: 20 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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I appreciate your opinion, but I'm still going for it. Whenever I ask about any school or city on Dave's ESL Cafe then everyone wants to tell me how horrible it is. hahahahahahaaha
I'm an American teaching in Spain.
Were you able to contact any current teachers? They must be busy! I sent a few messages out, but no response as of yet.
Much obliged,
Ord2world
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| ord2world wrote: |
Thank you, Matt! Oh yes...I'm aware of the low quality, backpacker type teachers working all over South-East Asia. hahahahaha I'm NOT one of them.
Hanoi will be my home for at least five years, so I'm seriously trying to find schools I can stay with long-term. I have friends working in Hanoi, but they're busy chasing teaching work at language mills.
Language Links has a great reputation for teacher retention, upbeat students, classroom resources and working schedules. They'll have a teacher for at least five years if hired. |
4 years experience is valued.
Are you Spanish? That is OK but you're not a "native" speaker so they will try to pay less (perhaps).
LL pays a lot less now. They lowered their pay-scale and they'll likely try to put you into their "School Link" program in public schools.
The turnover rate at Language is medium to high.
Nobody, NOBODY, stays 5 years, let alone 2 years.
It's a language mill business and the bottom of the pile.
That said, it'll be a good introduction for you to get your foot in the door in Hanoi. |
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sigmoid
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| Hanoi will be my home for at least five years |
So, you've been to Ha Noi before?
A lot of people come to Viet Nam (or other countries as well) with expectations like this and then leave after 6 months or so.
Even if you have visited a place, living there day after day, month after month, year after year can be quite a different experience.
Also, there's no need to focus on one school. There's big demand in HN (for some reason  ). Things are a bit slow now as it's just the first week after Tết but search for job ads online and you'll find an increasing number in the next month or so.
Finally, I am under the impression that LL is somewhat dominated by a British clique. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it sometimes means Americans are hired less often.
Can anyone confirm or debunk this notion? |
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kurtz
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Posts: 518
Location: Phaic Tan
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Questions Regarding Language Links Hanoi 2016 |
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| ord2world wrote: |
Hello gang!
I'm going to apply for Language Links in Hanoi and have a few questions. Are any of you currently working there? Their website states TEFL certifications earned online won't be accepted. However, I've got about four years of teaching experience and a bachelor's degree. I also taught in Haiphong for about four months.
Will this suffice in lieu of not receiving an in-class TEFL? I just sent a few questions to the current teachers at Language Links, but I'm growing anxious. I'd like register for this course soon!
Much obliged,
Ord2world |
Whilst I have never worked there, I am aware of them and have an old friend or two still there.
LLV, APOLLO and ILA are all your run of the mill, mills. What they want isn't always what they get. They prefer a CELTA, but being a mill, they'll take almost anyone they can get if people leave early. However, they are a soft landing to Vietnam as they do all the legwork for your visa.
Most people use the mills as experience in getting better jobs. Those who stay on might be offered jobs in which they are unqualified for. For example, having a non related Masters may land you an Academic Coordinators job and if you stay long enought and play the game, DOS.
I recommend the aforementioned mills as a way getting your foot in the door and to boost your CV.
All the best. |
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ord2world
Joined: 20 May 2010
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Location: Jerez de la Frontera, Spain
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Questions Regarding Language Links Hanoi 2016 |
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Wow! Thank you so much for answering my question, Kurtz! I just want to get my "foot in the door" and get a feel for Hanoi again.
One of the current teachers (that has been there for four years) got back to me. She said an online TEFL is fine since I have just over four years of teaching experience. It wouldn't be accepted if I was a new graduate or teacher though.
Eventually, I'll get a proper teaching certificate just for the knowledge.
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| ord2world wrote: |
Hello gang!
I'm going to apply for Language Links in Hanoi and have a few questions. Are any of you currently working there? Their website states TEFL certifications earned online won't be accepted. However, I've got about four years of teaching experience and a bachelor's degree. I also taught in Haiphong for about four months.
Will this suffice in lieu of not receiving an in-class TEFL? I just sent a few questions to the current teachers at Language Links, but I'm growing anxious. I'd like register for this course soon!
Much obliged,
Ord2world |
Whilst I have never worked there, I am aware of them and have an old friend or two still there.
LLV, APOLLO and ILA are all your run of the mill, mills. What they want isn't always what they get. They prefer a CELTA, but being a mill, they'll take almost anyone they can get if people leave early. However, they are a soft landing to Vietnam as they do all the legwork for your visa.
Most people use the mills as experience in getting better jobs. Those who stay on might be offered jobs in which they are unqualified for. For example, having a non related Masters may land you an Academic Coordinators job and if you stay long enought and play the game, DOS.
I recommend the aforementioned mills as a way getting your foot in the door and to boost your CV.
All the best. |
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Silvester
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| This is the reason why the pay for teaching EFL has gotten lower each year. There's just too many people who are willing to stoop and bend over just to get a job. Whatever happens to saying no and moving on to another company? The more you succumb to these *beep* the less peanuts you'll leave for the next person. |
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ord2world
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Location: Jerez de la Frontera, Spain
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:25 pm Post subject: Stick to the Subject |
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Um...What are you talking about, Silvester? Who's "stooping" for work? I'm going to guess you didn't read my original post, and this is why you're posting such an unrelated reply.
I simply asked if anyone worked for this school. I found it quite humorous to see how quickly some responses deviated from my original post.
I realize it's Dave's ESL Cafe. If I say the sky is blue, then five of you will tell me it's green. There are some helpful people on here, so this doesn't relate to you.
On a general note, I've noticed everyone is quite quick to judge someone's choice of school or city, but a bit timid about suggesting alternatives. It's a sick trend which I think should stop! If you cannot offer helpful advice then don't respond.
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| This is the reason why the pay for teaching EFL has gotten lower each year. There's just too many people who are willing to stoop and bend over just to get a job. Whatever happens to saying no and moving on to another company? The more you succumb to these *beep* the less peanuts you'll leave for the next person. |
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