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supralapsarian
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 Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:05 am Post subject: International MA TESOL program with job included? |
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| It seems pairing an MA program with actual teaching work would be a smart move for schools that have such programs. Does anyone know of a school that does this? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| supralapsarian wrote: |
| It seems pairing an MA program with actual teaching work would be a smart move for schools that have such programs. Does anyone know of a school that does this? |
What exactly do you mean by an "international" MA TESOL? And are you referring to university graduate assistantships, or teaching practicum with a k-12 school (leading to teaching licensure/qualification)? |
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supralapsarian
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:40 am Post subject: |
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By international I mean at a school in a country where English is not the primary language.
A school in China, for example, would likely have an abundance of nearby English teaching jobs. I don't necessarily mean a practicum or assistantship. I was thinking along the lines of a degree program that partners with a local language school/public school to provide an opportunity for degree seekers to earn some income and get some teaching practice. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| supralapsarian wrote: |
| I was thinking along the lines of a degree program that partners with a local language school/public school to provide an opportunity for degree seekers to earn some income and get some teaching practice. |
You should probably ask this question on the general Asia forum. But even if your idea were possible, there are likely to be visa issues; either you're a bona fide, full-time student or a legally-employed teacher --- not both. Also keep in mind that the MA TESOL you complete may not be accepted outside the country where it was studied. |
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suphanburi
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| supralapsarian wrote: |
By international I mean at a school in a country where English is not the primary language.
A school in China, for example, would likely have an abundance of nearby English teaching jobs. I don't necessarily mean a practicum or assistantship. I was thinking along the lines of a degree program that partners with a local language school/public school to provide an opportunity for degree seekers to earn some income and get some teaching practice. |
There are lots of them but you don't get paid for your practicum and they are usually M.Ed rather than MA.
Most grad students who don't qualify for sponsorship or a scholarship usually work as TAs or work at teaching undergrads in their own program in exchange for assistance and a stipend.
Most "international" post grad programs only require a minimum of coursework (often research related) and then your thesis. They will often come with bursaries and/or scholarships if you are a native speaker and qualify for the program (just to get a native speaker or 3 into the programs).
The rest of us just worked during the week and did our grad classes in the evenings and on weekends. There are lots of MA/M.Ed programs that are designed around working professionals.
IF you do take on a program that is largely theory based (coursework) with comprehensive exams and a "project" (rather than research based with a thesis and publication) then you may be limiting your options later.
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supralapsarian
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the input! |
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AGoodStory
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
But even if your idea were possible, there are likely to be visa issues; either you're a bona fide, full-time student or a legally-employed teacher
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No. In many countries the student visa allows paid employment. Up to 20 hours a week is typical. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
But even if your idea were possible, there are likely to be visa issues; either you're a bona fide, full-time student or a legally-employed teacher
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No. In many countries the student visa allows paid employment. Up to 20 hours a week is typical. |
Fair enough. I'm sure the OP and others would like to know which countries allow for TEFL work (feasible with only a BA) while pursuing an MA TESOL full time at a nearby partnering university --- the OP's criteria. |
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spiral78
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Yes, in most cases I am aware of, people on student visas are studying the local language and laboring away in very low-end language schools for no particular purpose.
I think it's a good idea to link MA study and teaching, but I don't know of any such program in 'my' region. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
Yes, in most cases I am aware of, people on student visas are studying the local language and laboring away in very low-end language schools for no particular purpose.
I think it's a good idea to link MA study and teaching, but I don't know of any such program in 'my' region. |
When I was completing my MAT (in the US), one of my classmates, a foreign teacher from Japan, taught Japanese at the university while studying. However, she had an M.Ed and experience, which qualified her to teach. I recall her saying she only worked 10 hours a week in order to focus on her studies. |
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rtm
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| Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| supralapsarian wrote: |
| I was thinking along the lines of a degree program that partners with a local language school/public school to provide an opportunity for degree seekers to earn some income and get some teaching practice. |
This is exactly how many MA TESOL programs in the US work. While taking a full load (i.e., 3 three-credit courses at a time), the student teaches at the university's intensive English program, usually 2 courses at a time (about 20 hours of work per week). In exchange, tuition is often waived, the student receives a stipend that covers basic living expenses, health insurance is usually provided or subsidized, and the student gains university teaching experience. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| rtm wrote: |
| supralapsarian wrote: |
| I was thinking along the lines of a degree program that partners with a local language school/public school to provide an opportunity for degree seekers to earn some income and get some teaching practice. |
This is exactly how many MA TESOL programs in the US work. |
However, the OP is specifically seeking a similar situation in an MA TESOL program at a foreign university --- possibly one in Asia. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
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| supralapsarian wrote: |
By international I mean at a school in a country where English is not the primary language.
A school in China, for example, would likely have an abundance of nearby English teaching jobs. I don't necessarily mean a practicum or assistantship. I was thinking along the lines of a degree program that partners with a local language school/public school to provide an opportunity for degree seekers to earn some income and get some teaching practice. |
If it's not really a practicum, then I'm not really sure of the point. If you complete a masters in TESOL, then obtaining a job at a local language school shouldn't really be the type of thing that you need help with. Generally, people with MAs in TESOL shoot for university positions. In some areas (Japan, for example) there is now a push towards having doctorates to teach even first year paragraph writing at universities. The result is that more and more people with MAs in TESOL are working at private high schools. And that results in higher and higher qualifications being required of high schools (making an MA or QTS a requirement in schools where it was once a rarity) .
There's also an issue of the difference in teaching methodology taught in most MAs in TESOL and what is seen in a lot of countries (outside of universities, and even then not always). That's why having a practicum in an English-speaking country is so useful and valuable for the student teacher (it's also possibly part of the explanation for preference of on-site programs over distance programs- if all you've ever actually seen and experienced in language teaching is how it is done in private language schools in China or Japan, then there is going to be a disconnect with what you are learning). |
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