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[jonniboy]

[sheikh radlinrol]

jonniboy,
If you allow the anecdote of the Home Counties lady´s disdain for the the French to influence your views then that is your problem.

[Hod]

[johnslat]

Anecdotes, like analogies, can't prove anything by themselves; they only illustrate, However, when a anecdote is deliberately used by a writer as an illustration of what the writer sees to be representative of a widespread mind-set, as this does:

"A lot of the people that want to leave are a ragtag bunch of nutters and extremists with random gripes that they blame on the EU and an irrational fear of foreigners."

then the discerning reader should realize that the anecdote is not merely an isolated example but has been linked to a more general attitude.

Regards,
John

[wangdaning]

[johnslat]

I think you've misread the post. His opinion that a lot of people who are supporting the leaving are " a ragtag bunch of nutters and extremists with random gripes that they blame on the EU and an irrational fear of foreigners."
is not, I think, the REASON he is against it.

But he does mention his reasons: "In terms of exit, unless the UK negotiated a Norway style deal, which would mean them still contributing the EU budget anyway, the EU would most likely respond to any Brexit by making an example of the UK to discourage other countries doing the same. Expect less favourable trade conditions and so on in response to any curtailing of free movement. A lot of economic decisions which affect the UK would still be made in Brussels anyway. The only diff is that the UK wouldn´t be there at the table to discuss them. Quite a lot of businesses currently in the UK would probably do their own "Brexit."

You're right that it's a generalization, not to mention ad hominem, but it's not, as you stated:

"A lot of people supporting a decision meet his disapproval so he flip-flops on it."

WHY he "flip-flopped" (which is a negative way of saying that he's changed his mind.)

Regards,
John

[Knedliki]

While everyone is getting whipped up about this referendum it shouldn't be used as a smokescreen by the government so they can introduce some awful policies under the radar.
Never trust a tory.

[Phil_K]

[Hod]

I never understand how anyone can go through life supporting only one political party. As for suggesting any party would use a high-profile event as a smokescreen, we've seen that before.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1358985/Sept-11-a-good-day-to-bury-bad-news.html

[Knedliki]

[Phil_K]

But without specific examples, the argument is worth nothing.

[Knedliki]

Record levels of homeless people, this week charities such as shelter said around 40% of homeless are mentally ill.
Highest ever suicide rate.
Teachers leaving the UK in unprecedented numbers.
Junior doctors forced into striking for the first time ever.
More food banks than ever before.

There's a few points for you.This is Tory Britain, but on the plus side, with all these public sector cuts we will build up a surplus, so we'll be able to bail out the banks again in the future if we need to.

[gregory999]

Hod, still undecided?
Are you IN or OUT?


I guess the outers, like scotty, are those with age over 65, they still living in the past!

The history of the Scots vote for independence will repeat itself in the EU referendum, just watch the political space of the EU.

The UK is stronger within the EU than outside.

[Hod]

I don't know yet.

I heard a good point yesterday. If the UK leaves, we can always go back to the EU cap in hand. Would they really say no? I doubt it.

[gregory999]