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gregory999

Joined: 29 Jul 2015 Posts: 372 Location: 999
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:10 pm Post subject: The Vocabularist: When is a theory 'just a theory'? |
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A Lancashire headmistress attracted fury with a tweet in which she said "evolution is not a fact; that's why it's called a theory".
In ancient Greece theoroi meant something like "observers". They were envoys sent by city-states to consult oracles, to give offerings at famous shrines or attend festivals.
Theoria was a word for their duties. It came to mean any act of observing, and was used by Greek philosophers, generally, in the sense of "contemplation".
Contemplating something does not challenge it - it strives to understand it, whether it is Pythagoras's theorem (theorema in Greek was an object of theoria) or some perceived divine truth.
Still today, when we take a driving theory test we are not studying a school of thought about driving which may be discredited, but general considerations on which good practice is based.
But sometimes theory means an opinion, a suggestion which may be disproved in practice - "only a theory".
This week a former director of public prosecutions criticised police who "believed a theory at the start of the case… We don't want the police deciding what the truth is before the investigation starts".
This definition of theory as something subject to disproof or challenge is deeply and honourably rooted in scientific tradition - in the practice of testing explanations by discovery or experiment.
"Theory and experiment", the 18th Century chemist Joseph Priestley wrote, "go hand in hand".
And Darwin in his Origin of Species wrote that new discoveries could "annihilate my theory".
Scientists are proud of the principle that their beliefs can be tested and challenged, not accepted as a matter of faith - that in the words of Darwin's champion TH Huxley, a beautiful hypothesis can be slain by an "ugly fact".
But when opponents interpret this to mean evolution - or at least Darwin's doctrine of natural selection - is just one competing opinion, his supporters deny this.
Some theories, scientific bodies say, are "the foundations of human understanding of nature" and "based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-35499049 |
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dragonpiwo
Joined: 04 Mar 2013 Posts: 1650 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:09 pm Post subject: erm |
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Well that was a waste of 45 seconds of my life. |
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LongShiKong
Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 1082 Location: China
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: The Vocabularist: When is a theory 'just a theory'? |
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gregory999 wrote: |
But when opponents interpret this to mean evolution - or at least Darwin's doctrine of natural selection - is just one competing opinion, his supporters deny this. |
It's the religious right. In the US, they deny AGM (anthropomorphic global warming) presumably thinking only conceited atheists would claim the power to influence climate. Ted Cruz says 'Climate Change Is Not Science. It's Religion' and Trump says he's 'not a believer'. |
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gregory999

Joined: 29 Jul 2015 Posts: 372 Location: 999
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: The Vocabularist: When is a theory 'just a theory'? |
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LongShiKong wrote: |
Ted Cruz says 'Climate Change Is Not Science. It's Religion' and Trump says he's 'not a believer'. |
What?
Trump says he is not a believer?
In his most recent interviews about religion, he’s said he is Presbyterian:
I believe in God. I am Christian. I think The Bible is certainly, it is THE book..First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica Queens is where I went to church. I’m a Protestant, I’m a Presbyterian. And you know I’ve had a good relationship with the church over the years. I think religion is a wonderful thing. I think my religion is a wonderful religion.2
http://hollowverse.com/donald-trump/
It seems Trump changes the colour of his skin like a lizard.  |
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LongShiKong
Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 1082 Location: China
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: The Vocabularist: When is a theory 'just a theory'? |
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gregory999 wrote: |
LongShiKong wrote: |
Ted Cruz says 'Climate Change Is Not Science. It's Religion' and Trump says he's 'not a believer'. |
What?
Trump says he is not a believer?
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... in AGM. But how do we know what any of them actually believe? Do they even? |
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Lack
Joined: 10 Aug 2011 Posts: 252
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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If someone claims such a thing, it's best to ask them what evolution is. If they say something like, "evolution is a theory saying we came from monkeys" then you can safely disregard them since they have no clue what they're talking about. "Can you name one biologist who claims that the human race is directly descended from monkeys?" No? Then shut up about things you don't understand.
Or ask a simple yes or no question: "Did the study of evolution end with Darwin's Origin of Species?" Though that one might throw them off. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Or you could mention the Theory of Gravity, and then invite them to jump off a tall building.
Regards,
John |
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LongShiKong
Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 1082 Location: China
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:28 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Lack"]If someone claims such a thing, it's best to ask them what evolution is. /quote]
How do you know you wouldn't get as many anti-religionists believing in evolution with a similarly limited understanding, unless of course you think the intellectually challenged, without exception, subscribe to a religion. Regardless of educational attainment, basic science literacy in the US is abysmal including that of congressional reps. |
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adventious
Joined: 23 Nov 2015 Posts: 237 Location: In the wide
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:29 am Post subject: Re: erm |
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dragonpiwo wrote: |
Well that was a waste of 45 seconds of my life. |
Kudos for getting out early.
999's use of anecdotal quotes, etymology, and conjecture is similar to middle east editorials and fodder for discussion among idle staff: One part endearing and two parts intellectual posing. |
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dragonpiwo
Joined: 04 Mar 2013 Posts: 1650 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:44 am Post subject: well yes |
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I'd rather concentrate on doing the job. These self-proclaimed pseuds are usually buggers to work with and rarely walk the walk they talk. |
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gregory999

Joined: 29 Jul 2015 Posts: 372 Location: 999
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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One theory known as "Theory of Mind" suggests that individuals with mind-blindness would have a difficult time seeing things from any other perspective than their own, and lack social reciprocity.
May God help them understand the Law of Social Gravity.  |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Dear dragonpiwo,
"These self-proclaimed pseuds . . ."
Do they actually introduce themselves that way?
"Hi, I'm Justin, and I'm a pseud . . .".
Regards,
John |
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dragonpiwo
Joined: 04 Mar 2013 Posts: 1650 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:19 pm Post subject: aye |
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"Hi. I'm Justin. I'm a pseud, so don't disagree with me. There's no point anyway because I can bamboozle you with very long, complicated words. These long, complicated words are evidence that I'm in a teaching league of my own. I also have no social skills, so apologies in advance." |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Dear dragonpiwo,
Well, at least he's an upfront, honest pseudo.
Regards,
John |
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gregory999

Joined: 29 Jul 2015 Posts: 372 Location: 999
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Well that was a waste of 99.999 seconds of dragonpiwo's life.
Now, back to the topic of when is a theory 'just a theory'? |
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