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bosch02
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 Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:58 am Post subject: internships with no degree required...legit? |
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This company is offering an internship in Sichuan...the pay / living allowance is low but i don't mind that as they provide meals / accommodation. I'm just concerned if this legit as I heard it's impossible to get any kind of LEGAL work in China without a full BA. The site however advertises it as a "Government sponsored program".
http://www.eslstarter.com/teach-english-in-china-sichuan.php#resp-tabs6 |
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jaybet3
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:42 am Post subject: |
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Scam alert! Do any internet search on the topic (internship, scam, china) and you'll find all kinds of negative information.
I've been applying for jobs in China for the first time and spent many hours researching the obstacles. I suggest you do the same.
Keep looking. |
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bosch02
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| jaybet3 wrote: |
Scam alert! Do any internet search on the topic (internship, scam, china) and you'll find all kinds of negative information.
I've been applying for jobs in China for the first time and spent many hours researching the obstacles. I suggest you do the same.
Keep looking. |
hmm I'm not sure now some articles I've read online suggest the law was recently changed and that working on an X visa is fine as long as your only getting a stipend instead of an actual payment. This thread here seems to give mixed opinions too. http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/44386-part-time-work-on-an-x1-student-visa/. I emailed the company and they stated that they would definitely provide an X or Z visa depending on qualifications. What do people here think? Is doing any kind of work, even as a part time internship bad on an X visa? Many thanks.
I have no degree yet anyway so my options are fairly limited and I am worried about gaining experience over anything else at this point. |
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bosch02
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| bosch02 wrote: |
| I have no degree yet anyway so my options are fairly limited and I am worried about gaining experience over anything else at this point. |
Finish your degree before seeking TEFL work in Asia. That's become the standard for legal employment. |
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rogerwilco
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"Join Teach & Learn China, a government sponsored cultural exchange program in beautiful Sichuan province. Full orientation is provided and program includes 4 month placement, Mandarin lessons, meals, RMB 2,000 living allowance, cultural excursions, flight contribution, 15 hrs of teaching per week & free accommodation!"
Terrible salary, and I doubt that they are truly "government sponsored".
If you are busted by the police all the burdens will probably fall on you, and they will not bother the "school". If you want to risk being fined and deported then go ahead and work for them. |
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bosch02
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| rogerwilco wrote: |
Terrible salary, and I doubt that they are truly "government sponsored".
If you are busted by the police all the burdens will probably fall on you, and they will not bother the "school". If you want to risk being fined and deported then go ahead and work for them. |
Yes I figured that it's a scam now.. which I'm guessing means the same probably applies to all such a programs that offer work/internships with no degree...  |
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bosch02
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| bosch02 wrote: |
| I have no degree yet anyway so my options are fairly limited and I am worried about gaining experience over anything else at this point. |
Finish your degree before seeking TEFL work in Asia. That's become the standard for legal employment. |
I'm not getting any younger, nearly 30 now will be 32 by the time I finish my degree. Who knows how much tighter the job market will be in 2 years time. I'd really like to get some kind of experience now if possible. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| bosch02 wrote: |
| nomad soul wrote: |
| bosch02 wrote: |
| I have no degree yet anyway so my options are fairly limited and I am worried about gaining experience over anything else at this point. |
Finish your degree before seeking TEFL work in Asia. That's become the standard for legal employment. |
I'm not getting any younger, nearly 30 now will be 32 by the time I finish my degree. Who knows how much tighter the job market will be in 2 years time. I'd really like to get some kind of experience now if possible. |
Yeah, but the "experience" you might get could be the deportation kind. Plus, the school that hires you to work illegally could screw you over.
Anyway, the 30s aren't old; there are people in their 50s teaching. Play it smart by finishing your BA. The TEFL market will still be alive and kicking by the time you hit 32. |
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Shanghai Noon
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| bosch02 wrote: |
| nomad soul wrote: |
| bosch02 wrote: |
| I have no degree yet anyway so my options are fairly limited and I am worried about gaining experience over anything else at this point. |
Finish your degree before seeking TEFL work in Asia. That's become the standard for legal employment. |
I'm not getting any younger, nearly 30 now will be 32 by the time I finish my degree. Who knows how much tighter the job market will be in 2 years time. I'd really like to get some kind of experience now if possible. |
As time goes on, the requirements for China are becoming stricter and stricter for non-native speakers of English. The stricter they get, the more vacancies there are to fill. I have a friend with an education company, and he is increasing his salaries by 20-25% this year because he can no longer recruit the same applicants as he did before. ESL in China isn't going anywhere in two years. Even if you find work in China without a degree, it will be illegal. I know you want experience, but any experience you get will be almost useless. If you want to get a legal job later in China, after finishing a degree, you won't even be able to put your illegal jobs on a resume. SAFEA will notice and call you out on it.
If you have never before set foot in China and have no ties to China whatsoever, the only viable way to stay for a long period of time without a legal job is with a business visa or a student visa. About business visas: These require trips in and out every few months to restart the clock. If you are from Canada or the United States, you can get a a 10-year tourist visa, which will still require regular visa runs. If you are from San Marino, you can get three months visa free, and again will need to make visa runs. Unless your outfit has deep pockets and you are very valuable to them, the visa run routine really sucks. Airports are usually ok, but at some land border crossings (Gongbei, Shenzhen Bay, etc...) they turn you away if they see regular in-outs stamped in your passport. Student visas are a bit more comfortabe, and don't require costly stressful visa runs, but some provinces are wising up to this.
tl;dr: Finish your degree. You will be so glad that you did. |
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mrpianoman
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:44 am Post subject: no |
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| Do they check out that degrees are authentic in china by contacting the university registrar then like they do for some other countries? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| mrpianoman wrote: |
| Do they check out that degrees are authentic in china by contacting the university registrar then like they do for some other countries? |
See Chinese embassy authorization of degrees.
If your BA is legit, then there's nothing to worry about. |
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mrpianoman
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:47 pm Post subject: no |
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| But do you just have to get it notarised by a notary public and apostilled by the FCO? You could theoretically get away with a fake if it's a good quallity fake and fools the notary republic. Saudi Arabia go one step further and require confirmation of the degree from the university registrar. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: no |
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| mrpianoman wrote: |
| You could theoretically get away with a fake if it's a good quallity fake and fools the notary republic. |
The point is to weed out those who lack, at minimum, a proper/legit BA degree. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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Nobody is asking for notarization or authorization. The degree must be AUTHENTICATED. That means that it must be determined whether the degree is real or fake.
The reason why (in many cases) an applicant must jump through hoops in his home country is that the likelihood that someone would sign off on a degree from Belford University School of Life Experiences is slim. By the time it gets to the Chinese consulate, the person who provides final authentication is pretty sure that it's the real thing. In my case, the person in the Chinese consulate was an American.
Trying to pass off a fake degree as real is actually illegal. It is often referred to as "spoliation of qualification". I don't know about other countries, but in the U.S., it is a prosecutable crime. |
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