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gregory999
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 Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:53 pm Post subject: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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What's Happening at the University of Missouri?
Criticism over how the University of Missouri handled a series of racist incidents on campus this fall has claimed the jobs of two top officials: President Tim Wolfe and Chancellor R. Bowen Loftin.
In September, Peyton Head, a senior and the president of Missouri Students Association, said he was called racial slurs as he walked near campus.
“I really just want to know why my simple existence is such a threat to society,” he wrote in a Facebook post.
That incident was followed by one on October 5 when members of the Legion of Black Collegians were called the N-word while rehearsing for homecoming festivities. Three weeks later, on October 24, a swastika was drawn with human feces at a university residence hall.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/11/whats-happening-at-the-university-of-missouri/414870/
Anyone who thinks that racism does not exist in some American universities, should revise his mental status. |
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scot47
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| Who would think that ? |
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steki47
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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| gregory999 wrote: |
| Anyone who thinks that racism does not exist in some American universities, should revise his mental status. |
Some serious paranoia and hallucinatory behavior here. These "racial incidents" sound fake to me. The hysterical overreaction (hunger strike, football team refusing to play) of students shows a very immature attitude. Blackmailing profs is creepy. Ruining people's careers is reprehensible.
'Murica! (Don't miss you!) |
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buravirgil
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:24 am Post subject: Re: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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| steki47 wrote: |
| Some serious paranoia and hallucinatory behavior here. These "racial incidents" sound fake to me. The hysterical overreaction (hunger strike, football team refusing to play) of students shows a very immature attitude. Blackmailing profs is creepy. Ruining people's careers is reprehensible. |
Blackmail? Immature?
The team had the support of the coaching staff. Teachers supported the walk-outs. Timothy Wolfe became Missouri's president after a career in software and technology sales. His prior experience was middle management for Novell, Attachmate, and prior to that sales at IBM. What did he know about running a group of state universities? His initial contract called for a $450,000 annual salary and $100,000 in bonus potential. He also gets free housing and a car or car allowance. He will live in Columbia on university grounds at Providence Point (although he said initially his family will continue to live at their home outside of Boston, Massachusetts). The editorial board of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch criticized the University of Missouri's Board of Curators for hiring someone with no professional experience in educational settings who needed a two-month "journey of enlightenment" to learn about each of the four campuses' needs. (Wikipedia) |
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steki47
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:55 am Post subject: Re: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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| buravirgil wrote: |
| Blackmail? Immature? |
Black students complain the university is not doing enough to protect them from those evil White people. The incidents sound very suspicious and my money is on them being hoaxes (a recurring theme here). The KKK rumors were darkly humorous.
I would dismiss this as another temper tantrum but I fear this may be worse. |
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buravirgil
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:15 am Post subject: Re: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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| steki47 wrote: |
Black students complain the university is not doing enough to protect them from those evil White people. The incidents sound very suspicious and my money is on them being hoaxes (a recurring theme here). The KKK rumors were darkly humorous.
I would dismiss this as another temper tantrum but I fear this may be worse. |
Okay, so you've ignored what I contested in your first post: That the boycotts and walk-outs were supported by paid employees.
But you're sticking by "blackmail" (instead of recognizing legitimate protest) to substantiate an opinion that anecdotes (you wager are contrived) have been "reprehensibly" leveraged by ?whom? exactly to destroy the "careers" of innocent executives.
Mainstream news (propaganda) at least acknowledges long standing tension versus the paranoid cartoon that is your framing. (CBS) |
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steki47
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:22 am Post subject: Re: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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| buravirgil wrote: |
| Okay, so you've ignored what I contested in your first post: That the boycotts and walk-outs were supported by paid employees. |
No, I caught that point. Bit disappointed that employees are indulging this nonsense. More Whites grovelling. Great. |
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buravirgil
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:52 am Post subject: Re: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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| steki47 wrote: |
| No, I caught that point. Bit disappointed that employees are indulging this nonsense. More Whites grovelling. Great. |
Having addressed it now is not having "caught" it.
And only now addressing it, your interpretation is that professionals (likely not of a single ethnicity) with direct experience are "grovelling", not exercising discrimination or judgement. In other words, they have no agency. That's an assertion you've made before in regard to liberals and minorities.
What I'm reading is an opinion that is uninterested in facts, time-lines, contexts, or details, but caricature and stereotype convenient to a prior belief and poorly applying terms to present a position. |
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steki47
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:20 am Post subject: Re: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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| buravirgil wrote: |
| steki47 wrote: |
| No, I caught that point. Bit disappointed that employees are indulging this nonsense. More Whites grovelling. Great. |
Having addressed it now is not having "caught" it.
And only now addressing it, your interpretation is that professionals (likely not of a single ethnicity) with direct experience are "grovelling", not exercising discrimination or judgement. In other words, they have no agency. That's an assertion you've made before in regard to liberals and minorities.
What I'm reading is an opinion that is uninterested in facts, time-lines, contexts, or details, but caricature and stereotype convenient to a prior belief and poorly applying terms to present a position. |
The complaint I saw was that the president didn't do enough to combat "racism". Three unrelated and unconfirmed incidents become an environment of fear. Students demanded the president resign and acknowledge his "white privilege" (ha!).
I am looking at facts but I also have opinions. What I see is more black paranoia and hypersensitivity and a complete disruption of this university. Which may be spreading to other colleges in the country.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_UNIVERSITY_OF_MISSOURI_TURMOIL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-11-09-11-24-09
PS I have been following fake hate crimes for over 20 years, so Mizzou came up on my radar. Amazing and spoky stuff. Weird how no one ever learns their lesson and automatically believes the story, regardless of how far-fetched it is. Even weirder is that even when the alleged crime is proven to be false, Libs and Mins double down on their Evil White Patriarchy narrative. Strange mindset there. |
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Xie Lin
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:36 am Post subject: Re: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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| steki47 wrote: |
| gregory999 wrote: |
| Anyone who thinks that racism does not exist in some American universities, should revise his mental status. |
Some serious paranoia and hallucinatory behavior here. These "racial incidents" sound fake to me. The hysterical overreaction (hunger strike, football team refusing to play) of students shows a very immature attitude. Blackmailing profs is creepy. Ruining people's careers is reprehensible.
'Murica! (Don't miss you!) |
Your colors are showing. Again. 
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buravirgil
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:02 am Post subject: Re: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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| steki47 wrote: |
| The complaint I saw was that the president didn't do enough to combat "racism". Three unrelated and unconfirmed incidents become an environment of fear. Students demanded the president resign and acknowledge his "white privilege" (ha!). |
"The complaint you saw" is not the scenario in sum and convenient to triviliazing the objections of many, and a larger support of those objections, as immature and a "tantrum".
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| I am looking at facts but I also have opinions. |
And why I'm bothering to respond-- I'm asserting you're cherry picking to support a narrative.
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| What I see is more black paranoia and hypersensitivity and a complete disruption of this university. Which may be spreading to other colleges in the country. |
Odd that any phenomenon might spread without basis. That "paranoia and hypersensity" (descriptors of an individual's condition) could so greatly resonate. Odd, as in, implausible, and offensive on a number of levels:
Oh, uppity, you mean?
Disruption from minorities is injurious to the country?
I'm curious why you believe the AP article supports your framing?
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| Weird how no one ever learns their lesson and automatically believes the story, regardless of how far-fetched it is. Even weirder is that even when the alleged crime is proven to be false, Libs and Mins double down on their Evil White Patriarchy narrative. |
Twenty years then. What statistics can you cite?
Because staged crimes certainly have occurred, and will likely occur again. But by what proportion to actual ones? |
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steki47
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:03 am Post subject: Re: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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| Xie Lin wrote: |
| Your colors are showing. Again. |
Nor am I hiding anything. |
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steki47
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:18 am Post subject: Re: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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| buravirgil wrote: |
Twenty years then. What statistics can you cite?
Because staged crimes certainly have occurred, and will likely occur again. But by what proportion to actual ones? |
Good lists of fake hate crimes:
http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/
http://takimag.com/article/my_10_favorite_hate_crime_hoaxes_gavin_mcinnes/print#axzz3r9ilwA7D
Big ones I can think of now:
Tawana Brawley
Duke Lacrosse rape
UVA
Duke noose hoax
Morton Downey Jr.
Why do people feel the need to create fake assaults and a fake victimhood? Even creepier (to me) is when academics admit that a certain incident was a fake yet insist that that type of attack (White Duke students gang raping a Black woman, for example) is real and the norm.
I don't know the exact ratio of real to fake hate crimes. OTOH, the majority of interracial crime in the US has a white victim, yet W-on-B crimes get far more media attention than the far more common B-on-W attacks. Man bites dog is seen as the norm when it is clearly an outlier. |
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buravirgil
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:40 am Post subject: Re: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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A list isn't statistics. And more, asserting what attention is garnered is subjective and it's not as though a few disciplines are dedicated to a fair amount of quantitative study on the matter.
Reportage is an interesting variable to cite, however. Because violent acts are more rarely (since the 70s) without a history and context. And when it comes to racial discrimination, what agency blacks have to report discrimination is the issue at the core of more symbolic protests, and unfortunately staged crimes and violence. |
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gregory999
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:00 am Post subject: Re: What's Happening at the University of Missouri? |
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| steki47 wrote: |
| gregory999 wrote: |
| Anyone who thinks that racism does not exist in some American universities, should revise his mental status. |
Some serious paranoia and hallucinatory behavior here. These "racial incidents" sound fake to me. The hysterical overreaction (hunger strike, football team refusing to play) of students shows a very immature attitude. Blackmailing profs is creepy. Ruining people's careers is reprehensible.
'Murica! (Don't miss you!) |
Racism still is a part of a DNA of some Americans who inherited this virus from their grandfathers since the slavery era.
America still is not cured from this virus, you have to wait another 500 years to check its status! |
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