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jimpellow
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 Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:07 pm Post subject: Hypothetically Speaking.... |
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Considering the seeming redundancies that are hitting the ESL industry in the Magic Kingdom, how much per hour (no benefits) would it take one of the lucky pink slip recipients to live, in say Thailand, and teach the same groups of Saudis online?
(this hypothetical question is directed to those who would qualify for an iqama and have experience with Saudi culture and course subject matter.) |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Redundancies? The TEFL market in KSA is about the same; there's still a need for experienced/qualified teachers. Plus, based on your question, it seems you'd need to know more about the cost of living in Thailand or whatever country.
That said, be aware that the four skills are taught in university foundation year programs and not just conversation English, which is better suited for the online TESOL platform. Whether you'd have enough steady high-paying online learners from KSA to earn a comfortable living in X country is questionable. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
Redundancies? The TEFL market in KSA is about the same; there's still a need for experienced/qualified teachers. Plus, based on your question, it seems you'd need to know more about the cost of living in Thailand or whatever country.
That said, be aware that the four skills are taught in university foundation year programs and not just conversation English, which is better suited for the online TESOL platform. Whether you'd have enough steady high-paying online learners from KSA to earn a comfortable living in X country is questionable. |
Thank you. All that is understood, but you are reading into it in directions that were not intended.
I will add though that although I do feel layoffs will increase, it really is not the focus of the question. If you were in Saudi say at RP, but preferred to teach online from another country, how much would realistically need to be offered to do so? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| jimpellow wrote: |
All that is understood, but you are reading into it in directions that were not intended.
I will add though that although I do feel layoffs will increase, it really is not the focus of the question. If you were in Saudi say at RP, but preferred to teach online from another country, how much would realistically need to be offered to do so? |
Maybe you need to clarify who these students are (i.e., military, foundation year, oil workers...) and exactly which language skills they'd be taught online. I seriously doubt the Saudi government would be interested in paying for online English language courses when they can hire qualified nationals and expats to lead a whole classroom of students via face-to-face instruction. And then there's the Saudis' perception of online learning.
In terms of layoffs, that seems to be occurring in oil-related positions and not in higher ed or military sectors. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:48 am Post subject: |
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You are correct about all of the above, save that there are interested big parties intending to save money by going virtual classroom. I am not going too much into details, as that was not the scope of my question.
Yet I am sure that there are some teachers in Saudi who would prefer to live in Thailand with their wives etc... and be willing to give up some of their high salary for a resectable but lesser salary. I would like to hear opinions from them. They can pm me if they would feel more comfortable.
There are actually a very high number of Saudis who wish to learn online. I can assure you that. Their biggest fear is that any legitimate online Gulf based school is a scam, but they get over it.
Anyways, the truth about Saudi is that they would prefer an English major with a MA in TESOL to teach medical students rather than a Johns Hopkins Medical School graduate who was head of Mount Sinai and holds a TEFL. None of it of course seems particularly relevant as the class is generally based on telling the students to wake up and stop playing video games on their cell phones.
But the big parties want Gulf veterans who fit a certain profile in terms of educational background, cultural sensitivity, and subject lexicon.
So the question remains, what is a teacher in Saudi worth to do this work online? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| jimpellow wrote: |
Yet I am sure that there are some teachers in Saudi who would prefer to live in Thailand with their wives etc... and be willing to give up some of their high salary for a resectable but lesser salary.
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They would prefer an English major with a MA in TESOL to teach medical students rather than a Johns Hopkins Medical School graduate who was head of Mount Sinai and holds a TEFL. |
Yep, a Johns Hopkins graduate who headed Mount Sinai and also holds a TEFL cert from LoveTEFL. 
Seems like you're looking for a way to drum up some online tutoring connections for yourself. Anyway, I'm curious to hear others' input on your idea as well. I'm just not buying it since it's still unclear what you propose should be taught online. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| Please pm me anyone who has some honest feedback. I have done Saudi and do a lot online both teaching and for business development. This was just an informational request on behalf of a party who is developing online group classes for official Saudi parties. I know from other sources that there are qualified teachers interested in this avenue of teaching Saudis. Just want to to estimate what constitutes a win-win-win from the teacher prospective. I don't wan't to deal with the above poster hijacking the thread. Thank you. |
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