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MI6agent
Joined: 16 Apr 2016 Posts: 87 Location: Dark Web
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 9:30 pm Post subject: Which toilet should a transgender use? |
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Transgender toilet use: US schools 'must respect gender identity'
The Obama administration has told schools to let transgender pupils use toilets matching their gender identity.
Attorney General Loretta Lynch said schools that don't comply may face lawsuits or lose federal aid if they do not comply.
One senior Republican politician has condemned the move as the "beginning of the end" of the current school system.
In a separate move, the president also strengthened protections for LGBT people receiving health care.
The federal government is fighting the state of North Carolina in court over a law requiring people to use toilets according to their gender at birth.
However the Obama administration education and justice departments say public schools must respect transgender pupils' gender identity even if their education records or identity documents indicate a different sex.
"There is no room in our schools for discrimination of any kind, including discrimination against transgender students on the basis of their sex," Ms Lynch said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36286111 |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 12:44 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, I was looking for Dave's ESL Cafe. I think I took a wrong turn at the Guardian website.  |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Gender Politics is taking over. Forget little concerns like work, salaries, sick leave, places to head to in search of employment.
We should spend our lives fretting about what toilet to visit when we are in Arkansas. |
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BadBeagleBad

Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 1186 Location: 24.18105,-103.25185
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 1:05 am Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
Gender Politics is taking over. Forget little concerns like work, salaries, sick leave, places to head to in search of employment.
We should spend our lives fretting about what toilet to visit when we are in Arkansas. |
Both the previous poster made very flippant remarks about a very serious topic. The suicide rate for transgender/gay/lesbian teens is sky high, so yeah, let's heap something else on them to make them feel like shite. And I thought only adults came here...... |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Or we could address the mental health issues rather than enabling them. Or disrupting the whole nation and demonizing all opposition. |
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wangdaning
Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 3154
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:04 am Post subject: |
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BadBeagleBad wrote: |
The suicide rate for transgender/gay/lesbian teens is sky high, so yeah, let's heap something else on them to make them feel like shite. |
That speaks volumes. Also, why are you grouping transgenders with homosexuals? Wasn't the whole point they are not the same? You really think these teenagers are coming on this board to read what we say? Public bathrooms are based on genitalia, you want to deny it good for you, but it is there. I am glad I am not in the US anymore and don't have to worry about suicidal people going into the wrong restrooms where my young child might be. |
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adventious
Joined: 23 Nov 2015 Posts: 237 Location: In the wide
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:19 am Post subject: |
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Obama's position on this issue is why I voted for him two terms ago. And the recent pardons for non-violent offenders was another. He couldn't close Cuba and stepped up the strain of unilateral decisions in foreign policy, but on many issues, I've seen an uptick in progress where there has been none for too long: HAD I KNOWN how slowly American culture would adopt rational attitudes toward gender issues, or an issue as benign as "pot", the ardor of my teenage rebellion would have been a hundred times...The "war" on drugs is especially vile...a very real venom of Nixon's still killing the weakest.
Scot? Gender issues haven't "taken over", for crying-out-loud...
I'm annoyed by misdirection as well...but
What scarcity of resource can you cite to support that framing?
Never mind I asked.
The jack assess in the room of these elephantine issues is just more clown show: A "party" claiming society thrives with less government scrutiny while simultaneously calling for regulation in a crapper to "protect" children. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Dear wangdaning,
"More GOP Lawmakers Arrested For Sexual Misconduct In Bathrooms Than Trans People"
It seems you're worried about the wrong people regarding your child's safety in public rest rooms.
"It is Republican lawmakers, and not transgender people, who are the real danger in public bathrooms.
Dead State, Gay Star News, and Friendly Atheist are all reporting that Republican politicians are more of a menace in public bathrooms than transgender people.
The reports are based on an earlier report issued by Dan Avery at News Now Next debunking the myth that transgender people using public bathrooms pose some sort of threat.
The multiple reports indicate that no transgender individual has ever been arrested for sexual misconduct in a public bathroom, while at least three Republican lawmakers have been arrested for sexual misconduct in a public bathroom.
Former U.S. Senator Larry Craig, Florida state Representative Bob Allen, and Mississippi Congressman Jon Hinson were all Republican lawmakers, and were all arrested for sexual misconduct in a public bathroom.
As for the big myth that transgender people using public bathrooms pose some sort of threat, a new report issued by Media Matters cites experts from twelve states – including law enforcement officials, state human rights workers, and sexual assault victims advocates – who debunk the myth that transgender non-discrimination laws have any relation to incidents of sexual assault or harassment in public restrooms.
Yet despite the evidence, Republican lawmakers, encouraged by conservative Christians, continue to try and harass and intimidate the transgender community with mean-spirited and hopelessly misguided bathroom laws.
Currently a new North Carolina law that unfairly bans transgender people from accessing public facilities like bathrooms and locker rooms that correspond with their gender identity is receiving a great deal of negative attention as celebrities as diverse as Charles Barkley and Bruce Springsteen have come out to denounce the draconian new law.
Meanwhile, in Kansas lawmakers are considering new legislation that would pay students a $2500 bounty for reporting on transgender classmates using the “wrong” bathroom.
Bottom line: If you’re concerned about public bathroom safety, it is Republican politicians, and not transgender people, that are most likely to be engaged in sexual misconduct. It is a myth that transgender people pose a danger in public bathrooms, a myth promoted by right-wing conservative Christians who hate what they don’t understand."
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/04/more-gop-lawmakers-arrested-for-sexual-misconduct-in-bathrooms-than-trans-people/
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BadBeagleBad

Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 1186 Location: 24.18105,-103.25185
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 1:12 am Post subject: |
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steki47 wrote: |
Or we could address the mental health issues rather than enabling them. Or disrupting the whole nation and demonizing all opposition. |
How is respecting how someone see themselves enabling? My God, what a backward bunch of people we have here. |
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BadBeagleBad

Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 1186 Location: 24.18105,-103.25185
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 1:15 am Post subject: |
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wangdaning wrote: |
BadBeagleBad wrote: |
The suicide rate for transgender/gay/lesbian teens is sky high, so yeah, let's heap something else on them to make them feel like shite. |
That speaks volumes. Also, why are you grouping transgenders with homosexuals? Wasn't the whole point they are not the same? You really think these teenagers are coming on this board to read what we say? Public bathrooms are based on genitalia, you want to deny it good for you, but it is there. I am glad I am not in the US anymore and don't have to worry about suicidal people going into the wrong restrooms where my young child might be. |
Well, they people in the bathrooms are going to be the same age, and depending on how young your children are, there is not much of a chance that they would be in any danger. The vast majority of sexual crimes committed by adults against children are men who self identify as straight. Gay men are of no danger to children as they like MEN not children. Pedophiles like children. |
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BadBeagleBad

Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 1186 Location: 24.18105,-103.25185
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Also, in Europe many bathrooms are unisex, you go into a stall after all so no one can see you. The US is going backwards so fast in terms of civil rights, it is really quite sad and alarming to see. Glad I don't like there, and have no plans on going back. |
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wangdaning
Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 3154
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 2:04 am Post subject: |
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BadBeagleBad wrote: |
Well, they people in the bathrooms are going to be the same age, and depending on how young your children are, there is not much of a chance that they would be in any danger. The vast majority of sexual crimes committed by adults against children are men who self identify as straight. Gay men are of no danger to children as they like MEN not children. Pedophiles like children. |
They identify that way until they see an opening. I am not afraid of homosexuals, it is the pedophiles, and this is a good opening for them. I could identify however I want, and you have no right to stop me. I think that is the point being overlooked. It is not against homosexuals or transgenders, it is the fact that anyone can claim a gender and no one can refute it. To allow them access to bathrooms.
I would ask John how he knows the Republicans are not transgender.
Personally, I was molested as a child by a man who identified as straight. I would tend to disagree with him, as he got caught raping the two children of his second wife. Luckily for me, he never got that far. I am quite certain that he would use this type of opening to go after children. We are talking about opening public toilets. Yes, it could be a unisex retail store toilet, or it could be a public school toilet.
I guess reading again you think only children need restrooms. Would it not be age discrimination to block adults from using public toilets? |
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RedLightning
Joined: 08 Aug 2015 Posts: 137 Location: United States
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 3:17 am Post subject: |
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adventious wrote: |
Scot? Gender issues haven't "taken over", for crying-out-loud...
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They haven't? |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 3:35 am Post subject: |
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BadBeagleBad wrote: |
steki47 wrote: |
Or we could address the mental health issues rather than enabling them. Or disrupting the whole nation and demonizing all opposition. |
How is respecting how someone see themselves enabling? My God, what a backward bunch of people we have here. |
My God, what backwards people work at Johns Hopkins.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change
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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change |
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the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 3:42 am Post subject: |
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wangdaning wrote: |
I could identify however I want, and you have no right to stop me. |
I am a 7-foot tall Chinese lesbian. Sometimes I am a lizard, depending on my mood. |
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