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mrjack
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 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:47 pm Post subject: TESOL v CELTA |
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HI All,
What's the verdict on these courses ? I hear the CELTA is very intensive. Is the TESOL as intensive ? |
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currentaffairs
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| Trinity CertTESOL v CELTA. Both intensive. Both equivalent to a level 5 qualification on the QCF scale. Not so much difference content-wise but the CertTESOL has a phonetics component and the CELTA doesn't. The CELTA is usually slightly more expensive. Either qualification will be very helpful further down the line... |
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fluffyhamster
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| There's also the SIT TESOL (so named because you SIT a lot - joking!), doubtless there are more certs around, though they'll be less recognized than the 3 so far mentioned. |
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suphanburi
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: TESOL v CELTA |
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| mrjack wrote: |
HI All,
What's the verdict on these courses ? I hear the CELTA is very intensive. Is the TESOL as intensive ? |
CELTA is a TESOL course. CELTA is the Cambridge branded TESOL course.
Other, also well considered courses are mentioned in posts above.
Before you choose a course, look at what it is teaching.
Do they teach you how to teach Adults or young learners, butterflies or caterpillars?
Look at the market you want to enter. Is it mostly adults (EU or ME) or young learners (the bulk of jobs in Asia)?
Pick your course accordingly based on content, market and reputation of the trainers / agency. Does the training center website look more like a school/training website focused on learning outcomes and pedagogy or a travel agency?
CELTA - Certificate in English Language Teaching to Adults.
TESOL = Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages.
TEFL = Teaching English as a Foreign Language.
TESL = Teaching English as a Second Language.
TEIL = Teaching English as an International Language.
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mrjack
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:48 pm Post subject: Thanks |
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| Thanks for the input guys. |
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scot47
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| Whichever one you do be prepared to read and hear some BS. Teacher training is PAINFUL. |
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fluffyhamster
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Painful how, Scot? Are the chairs not comfortable enough? You do realize you're insulting some of the finest and most capable minds in the world by saying stuff like that?!
"Those who can't, teach. Those who can, train". |
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johnslat
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Dear fluffy,
No Pain, No Gain, eh, Fluffy? 
Regards,
John |
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Hod
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Q) CELTA or TESOL?
A) MA
You won't be able to teach as such. You'll just sort of lecture, but no one will complain after class as you'll have run back to the staff room to do even more important research, the likes of which has revolutionised teaching over the last decade or two. |
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fluffyhamster
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Why is it though that some decide to skip the certs and indeed dips entirely and go more or less straight for an MA instead?
Yup (John), 110% pain, -10% gain. One step forward, three steps back. Drunken Circus Monkey style kung fu. Appearing on TGT (a BGT spin-off) next year!
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nomad soul
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| fluffyhamster wrote: |
| Why is it though that some decide to skip the certs and indeed dips entirely and go more or less straight for an MA instead? |
FYI: Many TESOL-related MAs in the US include at least one semester-long practicum (my MAT included). Google ma tesol practicum and you'll see link after link of TESOL programs with a practical component. |
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fluffyhamster
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| You should really address that to Hod, Nomad Soul, as he's the one who seems unaware of such things given his anti-MA stance~rants. I'm just working with the "context" he's given us, such as it is, which seems to not even hold presumable prior experience (talking in terms of any praticumless MAs) as any sort of teacher. |
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suphanburi
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You can throw me on the anti-MA bandwagon as well.
Far too many people go out and do an MA in the hope that it will lead somewhere without even considering the time, costs and other factors.
I have a non-educated BA. I want to teach EFL. Lets do an MA. Maybe I can find a job.
DUH....
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fluffyhamster
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| You can hardly blame people for not wanting to begin let alone stay at the "entry" level for long given the insufficient wages there (certainly in the West). |
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suphanburi
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| fluffyhamster wrote: |
| You can hardly blame people for not wanting to begin let alone stay at the "entry" level for long given the insufficient wages there (certainly in the West). |
Sure...
but rather than spend $2k + 30 days of our time and get a CELTA then try it for a while to see if we are even interested for more than a couple years....
lets go out and spend $15-40k + 2 years and do an MA... then see if we like to actually teach EFL.
IF you have a couple of years of experience and decide that this is a field that you want to make a career out of..... then get the PGCE, MA/M.Ed/MAT.
You know which area you want to focus your energy on....
My issue is that far too many people want, after a short time, go to mainstream. They do an MA and realized that it still doesn't get them into those mainstream jobs. They needed a professional teaching program that leads to licensure.
There are only those few who actually want to go into research, tertiary work and further academia. For them the MA leading eventually to a PhD does make sense.
I guess what I am really saying is to look at the end goal and choose your qualification path based on that rather than "get some qualifications and hope it might lead where I think I might like to go".
If at the end of the day, the almighty dollar is the goal, then teaching (whether EFL or mainstream) is not a good choice. There are no rich EFL teachers (well... maybe a couple in HK or China) but largely, teaching is firmly rooted in the middle class (economically). |
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