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Recommendations for safe and family friendly environments.

 
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Ecmears



Joined: 16 Jun 2016
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Location: Edinburgh

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:50 pm    Post subject: Recommendations for safe and family friendly environments. Reply with quote

Hello,

I'm looking for some advice and I'm a bit overwhelmed!

There seems to be an abundance of jobs advertised everywhere and if it had been just myself, I would apply and be off like a shot.

However, I have two small children (1 and 3.5 years old) and my Fiance to consider. Where ever we locate we need to be somewhere that's obviously safe, but also family friendly. Ideally, we would like to work in Asia/East Asia as my better half would like to be roughly in this area for his job.

Do any of you have any suggestions that I should check out or places I should avoid? Have any of you relocated to teach, taking your family along with you and can share a little knowledge on how you went about it?

I have a BA Business Hons Degree and CertTesol and some teaching experience.

Any advice would be very much appreciated!

Many thanks.
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nomad soul



Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Location: The real world

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

China comes to mind and possibly Hong Kong.

I suggest posting over on the General Asia Forum for more exposure to your questions. Be specific about your ESOL teaching experience.
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Ecmears



Joined: 16 Jun 2016
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Location: Edinburgh

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks nomad soul for your speedy response!

Hong Kong has always held a wee spot in my heart, as I visited there as a teenager and loved it. I will be sure to check it out! I'll post on the Asia forum too... should have done that in the first place.

Many thanks!
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Jmbf



Joined: 29 Jun 2014
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hong Kong does seem to fit the bill for you. I have a child here and I know many other teachers who also have children here. Personal safety is among the best I've experienced anywhere in the world. Convenience (for getting around) and access to western goods / services / restaurants is amazing. The health care system is also excellent.

However, the cost of living with kids is high. If you can command a higher income you will be ok but you may struggle on a lesser salary. Also, as your kids get older you will have to make a choice between international schools and local schools. Both have their pros and cons. You will need to choose a local school carefully as many are very traditional with too much focus on rote learning. Some local schools are very good although they are competitive to get into. On the other hand going the international route can be very expensive and not all international schools are up to scratch academically in my opinion.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmbf wrote:
However, the cost of living with kids is high (in Hong Kong). If you can command a higher income you will be ok but you may struggle on a lesser salary.

The OP mentions her fiancé. My understanding is that they expect to be a two-income household.
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Jmbf



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
The OP mentions her fiancé. My understanding is that they expect to be a two-income household.


That would make things easier if so. She could work under a normal working visa or under a dependent visa once married.
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Ecmears



Joined: 16 Jun 2016
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jmbf,

Sorry for the late reply. It's good to hear that there are others out there with children, despite the challenges moving and living with them in a different country can throw up. My other half is an Engineer so hopefully he should find work relatively easily and we've got a wee bit stashed away for getting settled wherever we end up.

I've got a bit of time to look at schools, but I don't want to leave the UK until I have a good idea of what the local and private establishments will be like for my own two.

Again, thank you for taking the time to respond and I'll get posting on the Asian board too.

Cheers!
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Trina Marlow



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest New Zealand or Norway.
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Jmbf



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trina Marlow wrote:
I would suggest New Zealand or Norway.


Interesting suggestion. Hows the ESL market in either of those places?
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santi84



Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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Location: under da sea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmbf wrote:
Trina Marlow wrote:
I would suggest New Zealand or Norway.


Interesting suggestion. Hows the ESL market in either of those places?


Trina Marlow, are you an ESL teacher? Why would you suggest NZ or Norway to someone with minimal qualifications?

Ecmears, New Zealand and Norway are extremely tight markets with positions desired by locals with higher qualifications (graduate qualifications in TESL). Anglophone countries in particular have no need to bring in foreign ESL instructors.

HK is not a bad choice.
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hotmetaldobermans



Joined: 20 Nov 2013
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll second Hong Kong.

Taiwan is a really safe, nice place, with really nice people, but supposedly a tough environment for ESL. I haven't worked there. I will say that the near-dead Dave's Taiwan board paints a much darker picture, than what I've heard is reality, from people I've spoken with who are there.

I think Mainland China would be rough on the little ones, mainly, the air, dirt, and general harshness of it all.
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LarssonCrew



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree about Mainland.

Why would you expose your kids to the equivalent of smoking 40 or 50 a day?

And them being made to feel entirely different from people around them. You'll have mainland farmers constantly commenting, touching, picking up, wanting photos etc. with your kids.

And also hygiene and hospital standards are extremely low.
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