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jimpellow
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 Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:58 pm Post subject: Privacy Rights Extended to FEC Holders |
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Along with the rights that teachers gained (at least in theory) back in 2014, was recently added a privacy clause.
I have seen it a couple places but to quote it on another board;
"Now your employer cannot use your photo/image on the internet, in posters, on Wei Xin, or any other public forum, nor can they give your personal information to any third party without first obtaining your written consent and tell you how your information will be used.
If you do not give your consent, you cannot be punished in any way, and if you are, your employer can be fined 100,000 yuan or have their business license suspended up to 90 days."
I could actually see them being serious about this. China does have some surprising strong laws to protect a person's privacy, even when compared to Western countries.
Anyways, feel free to store it in your arsenal. |
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The bear
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Privacy Rights Extended to FEC Holders |
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| jimpellow wrote: |
Along with the rights that teachers gained (at least in theory) back in 2014, was recently added a privacy clause.
I have seen it a couple places but to quote it on another board;
"Now your employer cannot use your photo/image on the internet, in posters, on Wei Xin, or any other public forum, nor can they give your personal information to any third party without first obtaining your written consent and tell you how your information will be used.
If you do not give your consent, you cannot be punished in any way, and if you are, your employer can be fined 100,000 yuan or have their business license suspended up to 90 days."
I could actually see them being serious about this. China does have some surprising strong laws to protect a person's privacy, even when compared to Western countries.
Anyways, feel free to store it in your arsenal. |
I'd be surprised if anything ever came of this. I welcome it, but it's one thing having a law and another enforcing it.
In any case, I can see it being in the contract somewhere, in vague terminology, like 'any other duties' could cover marketing or promotion.
Again, I welcome it but am skeptical. |
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adventious
Joined: 23 Nov 2015
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Location: In the wide
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Privacy Rights Extended to FEC Holders |
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| jimpellow wrote: |
| Anyways, feel free to store it in your arsenal. |
My experience has yet to be as adversarial as your own.
...but then i cut my teeth in the magic kingdom... 
Are you aware of China's advertising laws?
I mention it because a use of even in the OP suggests a bias...
I don't know if you're American, but what many interpret as a respect for privacy contained in the Bill of Rights with its treatment of private property, specifically its search and seizure, is fuzzy. A right to privacy is not enumerated. Property is its thrust, and at that time, some human beings were classified as such.
Think about that...this might help.
https://medium.com/the-ferenstein-wire/the-birth-and-death-of-privacy-3-000-years-of-history-in-50-images-614c26059e#.18kyoeemn
Moreover, it requires some sociology to frame, but privacy in one's home in places as uniquely twisted as Saudi Arabia are accorded greater protections than the United States. Probable cause 'n' all. What throws westerners are strictures in terms of public sphere. |
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LarssonCrew
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| This topic is about China introducing a law. There is no need to veer it yet again towards America or any other 'western' country. Thank you. |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| LarssonCrew wrote: |
| This topic is about China introducing a law. There is no need to veer it yet again towards America or any other 'western' country. Thank you. |
Yes, because comparison in law and politics does not drive international debate over either. Thanks for the heads up. China is China, and there is no need to compare it so any sense of law or political order you learned back in the old country. |
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adventious
Joined: 23 Nov 2015
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| LarssonCrew wrote: |
| This topic is about China introducing a law. There is no need to veer it yet again towards America or any other 'western' country. Thank you. |
Veer 
| jim pellow wrote: |
| China does have some surprising strong laws to protect a person's privacy, even when compared to Western countries. |
| adventious wrote: |
| I mention it because a use of even in the OP suggests a bias... |
Arsenal? Maybe if you're coming to China, or are in China, it's time to go home when a comfortable metaphor involves violence.
Adversarial was being kind. |
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jimpellow
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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Sorry to say, English champ, but the definition of arsenal includes - an array of resources available for a certain purpose.
But I do look back at my time in China with a certain Yankee jingoistic nostalgia. 
Since it wasn't the point of my post I will only state I was disgusted by what was occurring to Americans rights back when I first donated to the ACLU in the early 1990s, and the feeling I had back then was mild to how I feel about the subject now.
Yes, I don't see this new item being a big game changer for ESL teacher's rights in China. But it could be useful for a few affected teachers with the knowledge and a backbone to use it. "We take one month pay if you not agree to pose as clown for new school poster!" |
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adventious
Joined: 23 Nov 2015
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| jimpellow wrote: |
| Sorry to say, English champ, but... |
Had I addressed you personally as you have me just now? Is there a contest in your mind?
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| Since it wasn't the point of my post... |
It was your framing and commentary I addressed. Now that you've made more clear the "point" of a post, essentially edited it of what associations and contexts you'd summoned to wrap and present the point--
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| I don't see this new item being a big game changer for ESL teacher's rights in China. But it could be useful for a few affected teachers with the knowledge and a backbone to use it. "We take one month pay if you not agree to pose as clown for new school poster!" |
I could have no objection.
Out of curiosity, if you'll indulge, I'm intrigued by
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| But I do look back at my time in China with a certain Yankee jingoistic nostalgia. |
I don't really know what that means and I'll wager many, even most, people experience something similar. My own reference of Saudi Arabia in the thread might be termed as nostalgia.
Because I've heard it often expressed to travel the world and engage foreign cultures takes a little a courage. It's not for everyone. And when people give it up and move back home, I think it's a complex experience.
I had criticized your post because what I interpreted wasn't an evenly-handed and fair empowerment, but a bitterness weakly framed and supported, and I still believe that, but it's not just that. I hope you enjoyed the link. |
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