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tyroleanhat



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:36 am    Post subject: What possibilities with these qualifications/skills? Reply with quote

My brother has a master's in ethnology (which includes sociology, psychology, history).
German is his first language but his English is on a near native-speaker's level.
He is a drummer on a fully professional level, plays often in concerts and was played in radio stations with his several bands.
He loves teaching (no matter what), he worked a lot with kids in jobs other than teaching (for example worked in a refugees asylum)

He is a good lad but here in Europe people tell him that teaching witout an educational degree is impossible and that he can wipe things with his ethnology degree. But with 33 he doesn't want to lose another three years to study for an educational degree.

In theory I see lots of possibilities for him in Asian countries, but where exactly and how and what could he do?


Thanks in advance for any advice.
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doogsville



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm genuinely not trolling here, but has he considered seeing three years studying for a degree in education as an investment in his future, rather than a loss? If he really does love teaching, then that three years will open far more doors for him than three years working here in China ever would.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: What possibilities with these qualifications/skills? Reply with quote

tyroleanhat wrote:
My brother has a master's in ethnology (which includes sociology, psychology, history).

But with 33 he doesn't want to lose another three years to study for an educational degree.

He already has an MA, so he should be aware most master's programs are 1-2 years of study.
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a smaller manufacturing city where I worked, there were a number of German engineers who were married to locals and found themselves laid off. They found teaching jobs because of their excellent mastery of English and because of their education.

With a masters degree, he shouldn't have problems in a tier two or tier three city.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus, why not focus on teaching his native German? That could be more marketable than English, which is his L2.
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rattie



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He could consider teaching German or Music at a liberal arts university (Normal University). I work at one, we have majors of half a dozen languages, German among them, music, drama, photography, and even football!

A Normal University is basically a teachers' college...and speaking English is by no means the only skill that can find a person a decent job.

Suggest that he thinks outside 'the box'
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He'd have to find a university that has a German Language program already in place. Not many schools will rush into starting a new language program with the arrival of a new teacher.

Though much petty negativity has been expressed about the university, he might want to check out Jiangnan University. It has/had 42-45 foreign teachers that taught a pretty wide range of foreign languages.


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tyroleanhat



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the input.

What are his prospects at teaching (one day) at an international school? (he doesn't really care which subject he will teach ultimately)
Considering that he doesn't really have teaching experience per se -
Rather than studying for an educational degree, wouldn't it be wiser getting teaching experience onto his CV, by teaching in a country with loser regulations - and then trying to get into international schools? Or does he need a degree in education for that?

He told me that studying for a masters in education will raise problems in getting classes accredited, so it will probably take 2 or 3 years.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyroleanhat wrote:
Wouldn't it be wiser to invest 2 years of getting teaching experience onto his CV, by teaching in a country with loser regulations - and then trying to get into international schools? Or does he need a degree in education for that? Or any other teaching certificate which he could maybe still work on?

Hopefully, not a country with "loser" regulations...

But seriously, as mentioned above, if he wants to focus on teaching jobs, then yes, he should be looking into proper teaching credentials/education and experience from his home country. Otherwise, how can he claim to be committed to teaching others when he won't bother to get educated himself?
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lugubregondola



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He could eithet become a qualifief teacher at german schools
Sekunfarstufe or do a PGCE in the uk which is one year not three.
you don't need more than a year extra once you've got a degree to teach
in the uk. He will have to do his nqt year after getting a PGCE
but then he could apply to international schools. They accept uk teachers with a degree pgce qts and a few years experience
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:

But seriously, as mentioned above, if he wants to focus on teaching jobs, then yes, he should be looking into proper teaching credentials/education and experience from his home country. Otherwise, how can he claim to be committed to teaching others when he won't bother to get educated himself?


What are proper teaching credentials for teaching on the university level in the U.S.?
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a bog standard ESL Cert. Pump up any tutoring or other instruction he has done. Then apply to FL universities as German teacher with English as second string.
There's one in Dalian, or at least in Lushun which is an hour's drive south, near the end of the Liaoning Pen.
Here's the link to Dalian:
http://www.dlufl.edu.cn/en/
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Tudor



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he can teach piano, I know of an upcoming vacancy...
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tyroleanhat



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Sequitur wrote:
Get a bog standard ESL Cert. Pump up any tutoring or other instruction he has done. Then apply to FL universities as German teacher with English as second string.
There's one in Dalian, or at least in Lushun which is an hour's drive south, near the end of the Liaoning Pen.
Here's the link to Dalian:
http://www.dlufl.edu.cn/en/


That's great info - thanks for the link.
Say he does that for 1 or 2 years. Will this give him a shot at an international school afterwards - or do those Int. schools want to see more than an ESL Cert?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyroleanhat wrote:
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Get a bog standard ESL Cert. Pump up any tutoring or other instruction he has done. Then apply to FL universities as German teacher with English as second string.
There's one in Dalian, or at least in Lushun which is an hour's drive south, near the end of the Liaoning Pen.
Here's the link to Dalian:
http://www.dlufl.edu.cn/en/

Say he does that for 1 or 2 years. Will this give him a shot at an international school afterwards - or do those Int. schools want to see more than an ESL Cert?

Per DUFL's website:
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I. Qualifications & Requirements:

1. Candidates for the positions must have Master’s degrees or above;
2. They must be native speakers of one of the abovementioned languages and a major in language education is preferred;
3. They must be below 55 years of age;
4. Two years of experience or more in language instruction is required, and university teaching experience is preferred

Jumping from university students to teaching children requires a different set of skills and experience.

I suggest you encourage your brother or whoever to register on the Cafe and post his own questions on these forums if he's truly interested in teaching abroad.
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