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nickelgoat
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 Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:00 pm Post subject: Has anyone worked for ManTech/Jadwalean? BE WARNED! |
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hash
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:36 am Post subject: Re: Has anyone worked for ManTech/Jadwalean? Issues - |
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| nickelgoat wrote: |
| Has anyone worked for this company or had their existing contract taken over by them? I'd like to hear your stories. I'm going to share mine shortly and it isn't pretty. Be careful! |
No, I haven't worked there but for background information on this company, just type <man/tech/jadwalea> onto your Google search engine to see dozens of related websites. Bring your military English dictionary with you for proper interpretation of text. Can hardly wait to hear your story.
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nickelgoat
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hash
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:00 am Post subject: |
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hash
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| nickelgoat wrote: |
The first problem is that they recruit you in the US and you are under the assumption you are hired
by them. But they are not your employer, Jadwalean is. They don't make that clear at all......etc etc........ |
At last !!! A masterpiece of expository reporting fortified by its simple authenticity. A veritable tour de force and a must-read for any potential ESL employee. An eye-opening expose of the unscrupulous, exploitative and unethical practices so often encountered by ESLers in the Gulf.
I see not much has changed since my own early presence in the Hejaz, Taif to be exact, back in the so-called glory days.
The first sentence (above) is the most important, in my opinion.
"....they recruit you in the US and you are under the assumption you are hired by them. But they are not your employer, Jadwalean is."
Something that I've been squawking about for years - be sure you know the legal status of your employer. This is done of course, so that they don't have to pay US citizens Social Security, unemployment benefits and all the legal protections a US company is forced to provide its US citizens. In other words, you are an employee of a Saudi company.....and there's a world of difference.
Thank you so much for your expose. I hope your words are carried far and wide. Pax Vobiscum.
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nickelgoat
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scot47
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds like a bad experience. I am reminded of why I always avoided the military,........ |
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2buckets
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I worked two contracts with the RSAF, in Jeddah/Sana'a (TDY) and had no bad experiences.
The RSAF officers actually backed up the teachers and seriously monitored all exams. The RSAF officers were mostly trained in the USA/UK and some of it must have rubbed off. The "wasta" card was rarely allowed to be played. The one time an officer fudged exam results, he was quickly replaced. Cutting corners on aircraft causes them to fall out of the sky. That would be rather embarrassing.
Of course this was a US DOD contract and I was under the protection of Uncle Sam. I think that makes a big difference.
Not all military contracts are created equal. If you work as a direct hire for Northrup-Grumman, Raytheon, Lockheed-Martin or any other defense contractor, you will probably have a decent experience. |
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Shookran
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| 2buckets wrote: |
| If you work as a direct hire for Northrup-Grumman, Raytheon, Lockheed-Martin or any other defense contractor, you will probably have a decent experience. |
Can I ask where these jobs are advertised please, or do you contact them direct? PM me if you like. Thanks. |
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nomad soul
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Here's a Raytheon ad from earlier this year: http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/index.cgi?read=38388. Email the recruiter to see if there are still openings. However, your timing is likely off. Plus, some of the better recruiters only do in-person interviews at TESOL Arabia or TESOL Int'l (U.S.).
Internet research 101... Check TESOL.org's career site, AND go on each employer's site and check for openings, OR do a Net search on each employer using: [employer name] english instructor job saudi |
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2buckets
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Retired military job fairs are a good place to meet company representatives.
You don't have to be retired military to attend.
Contact direct as well. |
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nickelgoat
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hash
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| 2buckets wrote: |
Of course this was a US DOD contract and I was under the protection of Uncle Sam. I think that makes a big difference.
Not all military contracts are created equal. If you work as a direct hire for Northrup-Grumman, Raytheon, Lockheed-Martin or any other defense contractor, you will probably have a decent experience. |
The OP specifically mentioned that he became aware that he was working for a KSA company WAAY AFTER he had signed his contract in the belief he was working for a US company.
The Raytheon job ad mentioned in this thread http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/index.cgi?read=38388
specifically states:
"While Raytheon is the hiring authority, your employer of record will be SALTS. We offer one of the best salary and benefits packages available in the Kingdom."
What does all this mean......why these cryptic allusions to who is the real employer? What is the LEGAL significance of "hiring authority" and "employer of record"???
I think that what they're saying is if you get in trouble in KSA, you will not have the protection of the US DOD or a US employer....you'll be in the hands of a KSA employer. And let's not forget the recent fiasco on unpaid workers....
<http://www.thenational.ae/business/economy/saudi-binladin-group-workers-demand-unpaid-wages>
Also, if you're not a US employee of a US company, the company does not provide Social Security benefits.....nor unemployment benefits.......nor......nor.
All these questions have to be asked at the hiring point by the job candidate .....if you don't (like the OP didn't) you really don't know what you're getting into.
Raytheon in the ad tells you upfront that you're not working for them (one worders WHY??)......but that statement is only the tip of the iceberg.....The REAL important question is: so what does that mean? How does this impact my job in KSA? and how does it impact any benefits? How does it impact my SECURITY in KSA?? ((These days, the latter question is becoming increasingly important).
It's like ARAMCO SERVICES COMPANY (USA) and SAUDI ARAMCO (KSA).....the difference in benefits between the US company and the KSA company are huge. (especially for US citizens).
Do Lockheed and Northrop still hire ESL teachers in KSA? I don't think they do...I think the jobs are there, but they've been contracted out to other companies......I think...I don't know...and I don't have time to do real research on the subject. (but then, I'm not looking for a job....if I were, I'd investigate all this down to the toenails). |
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nickelgoat
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| nickelgoat wrote: |
| I specifically DID ask ManTech personnel during the hiring process if I was working for them or for Jadwalean. I was told I was working for ManTech and that Jadwalean was a subcontractor. It turned out to be the exact opposite. Deception all the way! The contract was written in a very ambiguous way. |
"As the Exclusive Teaming Partner to the Saudi based contractor, Jadwalean International Operations & Management Company, ManTech will provide highly qualified and experienced personnel to work in various locations around the Kingdom to support Royal Saudi Air Force in systems, equipment, and training, also provide dedicated maintenance manning to the RSAF."
Given the wording from ManTech's current ad, it's apparent to me they were clear Jadwalean was the entity you would be reporting to as the subcontracted, Saudi sponsor. How exactly was this relationship indicated on your contract? |
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