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		| fluffyhamster 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:59 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| So when will the UG Language Course: "Turkish" be ready to pre-order? I'm tired of learning foreign languages in masses of trivial detail and want something that makes it almost as easy (other than flicking a few switches or pressing a few buttons on or off here and there) as English. Thanks. 
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				|  Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:01 pm    Post subject: Evidence Rebuts Chomsky's Theory of Learning |   |  
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				|  great blog! 
 Evidence Rebuts Chomsky's Theory of Language Learning
 Scientific American, Sept.7, 2016
 
 
 A key flaw in Chomsky’s theories is that when applied to language learning, they stipulate that young children come equipped with the capacity to form sentences using abstract grammatical rules. (The precise ones depend on which version of the theory is invoked.) Yet much research now shows that language acquisition does not take place this way. Rather young children begin by learning simple grammatical patterns; then, gradually, they intuit the rules behind them bit by bit.
 Thus, young children initially speak with only concrete and simple grammatical constructions based on specific patterns of words: “Where’s the X?”; “I wanna X”; “More X”; “It’s an X”; “I’m X-ing it”; “Put X here”; “Mommy’s X-ing it”; “Let’s X it”; “Throw X”; “X gone”; “Mommy X”; “I Xed it”; “Sit on the X”; “Open X”; “X here”; “There’s an X”; “X broken.” Later, children combine these early patterns into more complex ones, such as “Where’s the X that Mommy Xed?”
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		| fluffyhamster 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:49 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I'm not sure I follow you, Adventious. You say that a blog overflowing with innatist froth is great, but in the very same breath link to arguments from Tomasello (a functionalist). 
 Now I'm not saying that one shouldn't ever read or present pretty opposing viewpoints, but what are people to make of your posting the Tomasello link (other than that it is another supposedly "good" read)? Care to give your reasoning and views? What is good or bad about that blog or indeed T's article?
 
 Agree about Wolfe's book though, it sounds like trash.
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				|  Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:36 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Using the word 'good' though suggests an advocacy (urgh, sounding like you LOL), but if you didn't really mean anything by it then fine, you didn't really mean anything by it. Have fun dropping names at the cocktail party. |  | 
	
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				| So you'd prefer to concentrate on my inexplicable transformation  of your 'Great blog!' to 'a good read' than to explain just what is so great about Generative theorizing? I'm sure readers will find that very interesting, and helpful too, especially if they're busy but somehow feeling browbeaten into paying at least lip service to Chomsky or whoever else. |  | 
	
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				|  Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:37 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Several inappropriate postings have been deleted. Thread is now locked. Member is now an ex-member. Trolls don't last long here. Really, they don't. |  | 
	
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