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What's so appealing about living abroad?
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:19 pm    Post subject: What's so appealing about living abroad? Reply with quote

I love it, there's so many things and it's hard to explain it do people who have never done it.
I'm really starting to think of living abroad for a long time, and trying to convince people back "home" that I've made the right decision. BUt, wow do people get offensive. My parents, my father in particular thinks that I've got something against America and keeps on telling me how so many people would give anything to live there, etc.
So how do you gently you tell people back "home" that you won't be returning?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friends and family have pretty much accepted it. When they ask when I am coming home, I say in the summer for a visit. When they ask when for good, I say when I have enough money saved to retire a rich woman and once I have travelled the world. They seem to accept that answer. One of my friends told me before I told him that I was never coming home. His exact quote was "I dont see you returning here for good, ever"

I explain the financial situation here, the work situation, the travel situation and they all seem to think it is a better place for me at the time. Yes, they miss me but they don't see it as a black mark against Canada. They know I miss home and that there things about Canada that are infinitely better than HK. (Gov't medical, cheap housing)

My dad and mum know this is the best place for me at the moment and they accept that.
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leby26



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm running into that problem trying to convince my family that I can go - they sit and argue with me about it endlessly, and its not just them, its anyone that I happen to mention my plans to. They get all worked up about it and I keep having to defend my life choices - it can get really discouraging, the 'why why why' 's, the 'what about a husband and family Shocked ' 's or 'yeah, sure you will, but...' 's wear on me - but it actually only makes me want to break out of this sheltered little bubble-life I've been leading in small-town Ontario even more !!

I've always planned on moving to another country as soon as I move out, and can't picture going back really when I do, never pictures myself staying in one place - but some people just don't agree and think I'm dreaming - at least you guys don't Very Happy


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johnslat



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:33 pm    Post subject: It takes time Reply with quote

Dear naturegirl,
Given the attitude of your "homefolks" it may well be the case that nothing you can tell them is going to reconcile them to your choice of lifestyle. That's the bad news; the good news is that time almost certainly will do so. It's probably just going to take them a while to adjust to the fact that you're happier teaching abroad than you would be working in the States. You might try the

"You want me to be happy, don't you? Well, THIS is what makes me happy"

line, but don't expect them to warmly embrace your decision overnight. I'd say the odds are very good, though, that eventually they'll see the light.
Regards,
P.S. One thing that never fails to amaze me is how little interest so many people here in the States seem to have about the rest of the world (It's OK for ME to say that - I'm a Yank). More than that, a good many appear to regard most of the remainder of the planet as "dirty, dangerous and
peculiar". But then, I suspect - well, actually, I KNOW - such insularity is hardly restricted to Americans.
John
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khmerhit



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr John remarked
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P.S. One thing that never fails to amaze me is how little interest so many people here in the States seem to have about the rest of the world (It's OK for ME to say that - I'm a Yank). More than that, a good many appear to regard most of the remainder of the planet as "dirty, dangerous and
peculiar". But then, I suspect - well, actually, I KNOW - such insularity is hardly restricted to Americans.


Wasnt there an Englishman a couple years ago who walked across several countries, including Iran? Each time he entered a village and explained what he was doing (walking across the country) he was met with disbelief. they thought he was a robber come to steal their chattel and their cattle.

But I expect there might be a few foreign news editors on the staffs of US newspapers who would agree with your assessment. From what I understand, they have to fight for copy space, the assumption being I suppose that the average reader doesnt want to know all that much about abroad.

I must say I was depressed by how little of the world gets onto these North American shores. Isolationism, anyone? Che sara sara.
kh
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:33 am    Post subject: No news isn't good news Reply with quote

Dear khmerhit,
Was it this gentleman, perhaps?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679739947/102-2722842-6968923?v=glance


But probably not since this journey took place about 20 years ago.

The lack of good foreign news coverage here in the USA IS disgraceful.
But, with the Net and with BBC America, most who are truly interested can find their own coverage.

Regards,
John
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Capergirl



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:45 am    Post subject: Re: What's so appealing about living abroad? Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
I love it, there's so many things and it's hard to explain it do people who have never done it.
I'm really starting to think of living abroad for a long time, and trying to convince people back "home" that I've made the right decision. BUt, wow do people get offensive. My parents, my father in particular thinks that I've got something against America and keeps on telling me how so many people would give anything to live there, etc.
So how do you gently you tell people back "home" that you won't be returning?


When I first announced that I was going to Korea, several people felt it was their duty to try to talk me out of my foolishness. My father even threatened to call the RCMP and tell them I was smuggling drugs. (These days I can laugh about it, but at the time I was a *little* miffed.)

Now I have a good ESL job here in Canada, but can't shake the urge to go to other countries to teach. Many people think I'm a few sandwiches short of a picnic for feeling this way. I guess that's why I come to this website so much. I know that you all "get it" and that I don't have to constantly defend what I do and what I want to do.

I'm always amazed by the people who think that I've got something against my native Canada just because I want to experience the world in a non-touristy way. I love Canada. It has nothing to do with my thinking Canada is a bad place and that Utopia exists elsewhere. There is no Promised Land. I just want to get the most out of this journey we call life. "Life is what you make it"...well, I don't want to make it about sitting on my ass here in Canada for the next 10/20/30/40/50 years.

"If you want to travel, just take a vacation" -- If I had a nickle for every time I heard that....*sigh* Rolling Eyes
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ls650



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:02 am    Post subject: Re: What's so appealing about living abroad? Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
My parents, my father in particular thinks that I've got something against America and keeps on telling me how so many people would give anything to live there, etc.


It's funny, but none of my family or friends have ever given me any grief about going overseas or questioned why I might want to do it. I think they're a bit amazed that I want to actually work and live overseas for a whole year, rather than just take two weeks in Maui, but they've all been very supportive ... and maybe even a bit envious.
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James_T_Kirk



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My feelings echo what all of you have posted! I am to the point now where I don't even bother trying to explain to people why I am moving abroad. Most people just don't get it. Fortunately, my family is understanding and supportive (of course, my father lives abroad, so my situation is slightly different). Others have trouble comprehending why I would want to leave the "greatest country in the world". When did we decide that the United States was the "greatest country in the world" anyway? Since the U.S. is last "superpower", does that automatically allow Americans to claim this title? Or was there a worldwide vote that I somehow missed? I really get irritated when Americans that have never left their home country makes this statement! Evil or Very Mad
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khmerhit



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John said
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But probably not since this journey took place about 20 years ago.



No, John, this was ANOTHER and more recent case of self-promotion--I forget his name but he took some time off from the Foreign Office, walked across the world, wrote a book. Usual thing.
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Marcoregano



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's so appealing about living abroad? Many things, but particularly..... not being able to understand tedious and often puerile day-to-day banter. It's always a shock when I go home and can understand the nonsense people generally talk about.
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Lanza-Armonia



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The enequity of it all. Live like kings <or queens, depending on which way you swing>, paid a huge local salary, learning foreign languages, seeing parts of the world people can only dream about. Kiss my a$$ Europe, I ain't coming home for a while yet...

LA
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yaramaz



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friends and family have told me repeatedly that they are happily living vicariously through me. Since I had been actively plotting my escape since age 10 (maybe younger), no one was surprised when I packed my bags at 19 and never really came back (except for random terms at university which finally led to a BA after 10 years of intermittent study). I like being away. I find that during the times I was at home, I was fine and fairly happy with the calm and normality and relative easiness of everything, but also seriously restless. I could possibly maybe potentially adapt to a normal life some time in the future but not right now. My eye is always open for new places, new ideas.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said Yaramaz! I think there is a lot of independance required to do what we do and to do it year after year after year after....

No one is shocked that I left. According to my mother, I would have moved out the house when I was 7, but there are laws. I say 5, but that is neither here nor there.
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struelle



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: What's so appealing about living abroad? Reply with quote

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I love it, there's so many things and it's hard to explain it do people who have never done it.
I'm really starting to think of living abroad for a long time, and trying to convince people back "home" that I've made the right decision.


My situation is the exact same, although I have some really close friends back in Canada who really want me to come back.

My parents are happy that I'm happy abroad, but this wasn't always the case. That took time, and their latest visit to Asia really helped. By the way, my whole family is living in Asia except for my youngest brother.

What to do about friends back home is difficult. Ironically they are Chinese, but they have many things against their 'motherland' and will remain in Canada. A possible compromise is for me to go back and do a Masters in Vancouver, then come back to Asia.

In general, though, living abroad is the ideal lifestyle, and I have no regrets about doing this.

Steve
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