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CELTA training - before or after arriving?

 
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shegross



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:07 pm    Post subject: CELTA training - before or after arriving? Reply with quote

Hello~

I'm considering heading to Vietnam in the future (around May to August of 2017), and my understanding is that the CELTA carries weight there, especially at the major teaching centres. I'm hoping to get in with one of the larger companies (ILA, Apollo, etc.) because I'm thinking of also getting the DELTA and YL extension once I've got experience in the country. I have access to a CELTA training centre in Canada, but don't know yet if they'll be offering the course around the time I'd like. I've got 2 years experience in the elementary public schools in Korea as well as a semi-legit 100-hour TEFL, so hope to accrue post-CELTA experience for future applications, such as for the British Council.

Would you do the CELTA in Canada then apply to one of these companies with the qualifications, or would you head over and do the course in Vietnam?

Thanks in advance~
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BenE



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say do it in Vietnam. It's probably cheaper and there are good experienced trainers now running the courses. Apollo has good trainers at the moment in Hanoi. Once you are there as well it's easier to make contacts to get a job and they are probably recruiting.
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reblair79



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am planning on going to Vietnam too around April 2017. I have been offered a place on the ILA April 4 week CELTA course. It is quite expensive though. Just short of $3000 for their inclusive deal. I have an interview in my home country (Scotland) to do the part time CELTA between January 2017 and March 2017 and the cost is $1500. The only real advantage of doing the CELTA in Vietnam with ILA (that I am aware of after my own research) is you are given accommodation as part of the package, picked up at the airport, 1 weeks Vietnamese lessons and a good chance of finding employment with them after the course.

As good as these additional things are, from what I have read, it is not particularly difficult to get accommodation, employment or to make your own way from the airport. I have weighed it up and personally think the part time course would be less stressful and cheaper. I think it would be easier to do the CELTA in an environment you are more comfortable with also.

I hope this helps with your decision!

Ray
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skarper



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part time CELTAs are a lot less stressful if you can focus on the course and don't have a demanding job or family/personal life.

It is easier to clear the decks for 4-5 weeks full time than for 3 months.

I would go with the Vietnam option unless there was a strong reason not to do so. It's better to be working with students who have Vietnamese as an L1 if you mean to work here. Knowing how Spanish and Italian speakers respond to your material will not be much help when dealing with Vietnamese [or Koreans etc] There is also the issue of mixed L1s versus a single L1 group who can communicate in Vietnamese and bypass you information gap activities!
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BenE



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Package seems a bit steep for what you get.
Accommodation = $200 a month max rental. Maybe a bit more if you do a deal with a hotel.
Post on Hanoi Massive Pantsgate asking for a place.
Visa is approx $35 for a 3 month entry (assuming you are not applying on a US passport)

Vietnamese classes = $100 for 20 hours private
Taxi = $12 with Uber
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mark_in_saigon



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me that this big price increase is just a way to boost profits. The price was substantially less about 4 years ago, like $1,700 or so. Anyway, in that time, the prices we pay for living here have not gone up in a significant way, nor has our pay. I do not believe that the cost of delivering these programs has increased much.

I see APOLLO is charging a bit over $1,600 for their CELTA. I think that is all anyone should have to pay for this.

It is a very common feature of some business environments for new graduates to have to make a big payment in order to get a good job. Perhaps this high price cert is part of that trend.
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BenE



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark_in_saigon wrote:
It seems to me that this big price increase is just a way to boost profits. The price was substantially less about 4 years ago, like $1,700 or so. Anyway, in that time, the prices we pay for living here have not gone up in a significant way, nor has our pay. I do not believe that the cost of delivering these programs has increased much.


I think they are more charging for the 'package' involving staying in a shared house no doubt, getting some Vietnamese classes, an airport pickup and visa sorted. Seems a bit of a rip off to me.
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Tudor



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see what the issue is here. I've had a look at ILA's website and they quote $1750 for just the Celta (which is pretty similar to elsewhere) and $2695 for the package (so not really 'just short of $3000' as someone above said).

If you don't think the package is worth it - which in all probability it isn't - then go with the Celta only deal.
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I'm With Stupid



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tudor wrote:
I don't see what the issue is here. I've had a look at ILA's website and they quote $1750 for just the Celta (which is pretty similar to elsewhere) and $2695 for the package (so not really 'just short of $3000' as someone above said).

If you don't think the package is worth it - which in all probability it isn't - then go with the Celta only deal.

Yeah $945 for 5 weeks accommodation, a visa, Vietnamese lessons and a taxi is laughable really.

But yeah, I'd recommend doing it in Vietnam for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it's much cheaper to live without wages for a month in Vietnam. And secondly, you get to try out the country before you commit to living there.
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1st Sgt Welsh



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm With Stupid wrote:


But yeah, I'd recommend doing it in Vietnam for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it's much cheaper to live without wages for a month in Vietnam. And secondly, you get to try out the country before you commit to living there.


Agreed. If you are interested in teaching in Vietnam then do the CELTA in Vietnam. Aside from its affordability, and the points I'm With Stupid raised, you will get a bit of experience with Vietnamese learners, you get to suss out employment prospects during your training and, chances are, you will form relationships with your fellow trainees, who will be in similar circumstances to you, and you can become part of an instant social group. That's a nice thing when you are moving to a new place and don't know anybody.
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