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Chopin16
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 Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:06 am Post subject: work visit visa changed to an iqama |
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| One company are offering jobs on work visit visas for $3500 a month and they say they can process you for a work visa later on. I said I don't think they can do this. Can they do it? They require a BA in English + CELTA or an MA/MEd. This was a month ago now though so they have probably recruited by now. Company are IGIT. They said they require a police cert for the work visa later on because I said you don't need a police cert for a work visit visa but apparently they want one or wanted one for the work visa processing later on. I reckon you would have to return back to your home country to get a work vis though. don't think you can get it in Bahrain can you or Jordon> |
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siologen
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:10 am Post subject: re: they are real? |
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| Applied, and despite exceeding their qualification and experience requirements (just saying!), getting numerous emails back from their admin bloke and pictures of a nice apartment in Dammam, the job offer itself never appeared. Are they for real, I.E. are you actually on the ground now, in nice flat? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:46 am Post subject: Re: work visit visa changed to an iqama |
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| Chopin16 wrote: |
| One company are offering jobs on work visit visas for $3500 a month and they say they can process you for a work visa later on. I said I don't think they can do this. Can they do it? They require a BA in English + CELTA or an MA/MEd. This was a month ago now though so they have probably recruited by now. Company are IGIT. They said they require a police cert for the work visa later on because I said you don't need a police cert for a work visit visa but apparently they want one or wanted one for the work visa processing later on. I reckon you would have to return back to your home country to get a work vis though. don't think you can get it in Bahrain can you or Jordon> |
For clarification of your subject line, a work visit visa cannot be changed into a muqeem (formerly an iqama); that requires an employment/work visa. You'd have to contact the company for an explanation of the visa process and required documentation.
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| Applied, and despite exceeding their qualification and experience requirements (just saying!), getting numerous emails back from their admin bloke and pictures of a nice apartment in Dammam, the job offer itself never appeared. |
Given you have a BA in Film Studies, it's highly doubtful you exceeded their qualifications, which is why you didn't get an interview or an offer. The majority of employers/governments in the region have tightened their requirements. |
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Chopin16
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| They wanted a degree in English or linguistics not a BA in Film Studies. Or an MA in applied linguistics or an MEd. Thatt's what it said in their email to me anyway. That's why you didn't get an interview I expect. |
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Chopin16
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| It states in their email you can either have a work visa or a work visit visa. They say they will process a work visa if you have a work visit visa. This is silly though since it means you will have to just come home and process the work visa. So I don't know what they're on about really. You can work on a work visit visa without needing to process a new work visa. But they require a police certificate so they can process a work visa later on they said. It's a bit dubious how long you will be working on a work visit visa for in this case. It says a multi entry one. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| If it doesn't make sense or seems dubious, then move on. Besides, you mentioned on the Oman thread that you're experienced, licensed/certified to teach English, and have an English or education-related BA. Why aren't you applying for k-12 int'l school teaching positions in the region? |
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bigdurian
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| If it doesn't make sense or seems dubious, then move on. Besides, you mentioned on the Oman thread that you're experienced, licensed/certified to teach English, and have an English or education-related BA. Why aren't you applying for k-12 int'l school teaching positions in the region? |
Amazing, I actually agree with the nomadic spirit. But definitely, if you're a certified, licensed teacher, get yourself in a decent international school.
Salaries in the best schools will be on a par with best military, O+G teaching positions, with good benefits. For women, this is the best route to a top salary. Way better than anything a uni will pay.
A women I worked with previously moved to the British school in Riyadh, starting on 25k a month, plus accommodation in Al Hamra compound. |
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Chopin16
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I am applying to international schools. I applied to 2 schools in Dubai in November but didn't hear anything. I have an interview for a job where I currently am at an international school. I prefer teaching adult students though so that's why I look for good EFL positions. Not all international schools pay 25k SAR a month which is £5000 a month. She must have had many years experience as a teacher to get an offer like that. The gulf does not pay international teachers like they once did hence teachers are looking at other countries where pay and conditions are better. |
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siologen
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:23 pm Post subject: re: agreed |
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| The gulf does not pay international teachers like they once did hence teachers are looking at other countries where pay and conditions are better. |
Much like when China tightened up the visa regs, it created the problems they were hoping to avoid, a lack of FT's to fill their quotas  As soon as any country does not pay as good as they formerly did, or makes the visas harder to get, wallop, there is an exodus of FT's, as sure as night follows day!   |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Much like when China tightened up the visa regs, it created the problems they were hoping to avoid, a lack of FT's to fill their quotas As soon as any country does not pay as good as they formerly did, or makes the visas harder to get, wallop, there is an exodus of FT's, as sure as night follows day! |
The trend is heading more and more towards greater employment of qualified local teachers in many parts of the world. FTs are not necessarily preferred everywhere and places where they are, authorities can afford to institute more serious requirements. It's a natural market progression. |
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siologen
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:42 pm Post subject: re: fair points, but |
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| FTs are not necessarily preferred everywhere and places where they are, authorities can afford to institute more serious requirements. It's a natural market progression. |
Fair points, but the fly in the ointment is when a country in particular has a high demand for teachers, and the officials are probably left wondering, why do we not have as many FT's coming here as before? The answer should be the bleeding obvious! |
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bigdurian
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Chopin16 wrote: |
| I am applying to international schools. I applied to 2 schools in Dubai in November but didn't hear anything. I have an interview for a job where I currently am at an international school. I prefer teaching adult students though so that's why I look for good EFL positions. Not all international schools pay 25k SAR a month which is £5000 a month. She must have had many years experience as a teacher to get an offer like that. The gulf does not pay international teachers like they once did hence teachers are looking at other countries where pay and conditions are better. |
Yeah, she did have a lot of experience, plus the British school is a top school with school fees to go with it.
I just mentioned her as an example of what is possible. |
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Chopin16
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| A schools a school. They call it top but it's just like any other school really LOL. Probably 5% of teachers would get 25k a month the other 95% probably 18k a month |
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bigdurian
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| A schools a school. They call it top but it's just like any other school really LOL. Probably 5% of teachers would get 25k a month the other 95% probably 18k a month |
Depends how you define any other school, but in Riyadh I think you'd find that the American school and the British school are definitely not like any other school.
With fees rising to over 80k a year at the higher age groups, they can and do recruit exclusively western or western trained/recognized teachers.
Any other school will not do this. Somewhere like Manarat definitely won't. Somewhere like Multinational, a tier 2, also won't.
Look at the differences in how they look after their teachers, at the British school teachers live on Al Hamra, one of the best compounds in Riyadh, at Multinational they live on RuMaison, which is looking very tired and down at heel these days.
Facilities, structure, ideals, internationalism, field trips etc, will all be far better than any other school.
The make up of the students will be a lot more international than in other schools. You won't hear much English in the playground, at a so called international school catering for locals.
As far as the salaries go, I wouldn't really know, but seeing how they would only recruit experienced western trained teachers anyway, I wouldn't have thought it unreasonable that most people start on a similar wage. When you've got over a thousand kids, and you're charging at least 50k a year, they can afford it. |
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hash
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| A schools (sic) a school. |
Not really. I'm surprised no one's brought up the question of "accreditation" because that is the crucial sine qua non of the worth of a pre-university school. My comments are concerned with secondary schools in general (9-12 = high school, in US English) and are directed specifically to US nationals (I have no idea what a PGCE is....and guess what...... I don't want to know).
The reason a US parent will insist that a child's secondary education be obtained at a school accredited by one of the regional US accreditation agencies is that then, the child's grades and credits are immediately acceptable by any college or university in the USA.....no questions asked.
Thus, getting an accredited HS diploma practically guarantees getting admitted at "some" college "somewhere" in the USA which in turn, practically guarantees a job in ESL in KSA "sometime" in the "future".
(Don't laugh....I know a teacher currently working at ARAMCO who proudly proclaims to anyone who'll listen that his father "taught" ESL at TINS (KSA Navy) in the Eastern Province.....for years. Can you imagine the level of conversation at that family's dinner table on a regular day??)
Sending your child to any other school, regardless of how illustrious it may be, causes all kinds of problems and endless entanglements for the child and the family trying to get the child into a US college or university.
The problem, of course, is how many such accredited primary/secondary schools are there in KSA? Aramco Schools is one.....but I don't know if there are any others. And because competition must be ferocious to get in, the school's can charge outrageous fees and tuition so as to be able to pay for US trained teachers. I imagine to get and to keep accredited by one of the regional US agencies, the school must present a very high proportion....(probably over 90%) of US trained teachers.....which most often means US citizen teachers.
It is what it is. |
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