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lilmaster213
Joined: 06 Dec 2016 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:09 am Post subject: JOB SALARY |
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Hi everyone,
I've been teaching in China for a few years now, and I'm just curious about pay. I often hear stories of high salaries, but wonder where these positions exist?
What have you all been paid, and at what schools?
I ask this so I can better navigate salary when offered future positions.
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:41 am Post subject: |
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There's 3 sectors:
Public unis and vocationals.
Language schools.
International schools.
Which sector are you in? |
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getbehindthemule
Joined: 15 Oct 2015 Posts: 712 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:14 am Post subject: |
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The pay scale varies significantly:
5k (low hour uni gig) to 30k (international school) per month and anywhere in between depending on your quals and position.
From my (and from other's) experience here, you could slog it out at a language mill in SH for 12-16k per month or teach at a public (Primary/Middle/High) school for roughly the same basic wage.
Your location, in additon to sector (as NS stated above), is also a huge factor to be considered. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Surprised to see 5k as a start point for public system but as in everything - think 'package' ie accom and airfare and utilities + no commute if apartment is on campus.
My first job (04) was 4.5K and I upped it to 5k by moving schools.
The declining value of the RMB v US should also be kept in mind if you have home commitments to remit for. |
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getbehindthemule
Joined: 15 Oct 2015 Posts: 712 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:00 am Post subject: |
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Non Sequitur wrote: |
Surprised to see 5k as a start point for public system but as in everything - think 'package' ie accom and airfare and utilities + no commute if apartment is on campus.
My first job (04) was 4.5K and I upped it to 5k by moving schools.
The declining value of the RMB v US should also be kept in mind if you have home commitments to remit for. |
5 and 5.5k Uni contracts still exist. These would be very low hour gigs with a huge amount of free time. I guess it suits some who just need a visa and have their own hobbies to focus on, such as writing, etc.
But yes, it's all about the package and not just the monthly salary! Especially in Tier 1 cities, you need decent accomodation provided or a sufficient housing allowance to make it viable.
The declining value of the RMB has been a pain alright and the costs associated with sending money back home, especially if you need to send on a regular basis, with bank charges on both sides being quite significant! |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:34 am Post subject: |
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There was a thread recently on the least costly way of remitting home but unsure of what the conclusion was.
The remitting cost will always be a secondary factor if the RMB/US$ is moving against the remitter. |
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getbehindthemule
Joined: 15 Oct 2015 Posts: 712 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Non Sequitur wrote: |
There was a thread recently on the least costly way of remitting home but unsure of what the conclusion was.
The remitting cost will always be a secondary factor if the RMB/US$ is moving against the remitter. |
Yep, think I read that alright. The least costly way is to send a Chinese debit card to your home country and have somebody withdraw it for you. My home country is an exception though, as Union Pay cards cannot be used in any atms unfortunately.
I'm dealing with Euros, not US$, which hasnt been quite as bad. I'm not up to date on it, but do the experts think that the value of the RMB will continue to decline I wonder? |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:25 am Post subject: |
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I guess 'yes' but only because the US$ is so strong. As you point out it doesn't affect Euro/RMB as much.
Thanks for the comment re the Union Pay card route.
I do now recall that being the best/cheapest way - when home ATMs accept it of course. |
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astrotrain
Joined: 18 Apr 2013 Posts: 96
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:06 am Post subject: |
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Yes, the Union pay debit card thing was the cheapest way I found in transferring the funds over. Just need U.P acceptance and a trusted relative to do it but was still a pain in the arse to constantly go to banks in both countries back and forth becus of the withdrawal limits etc. The one time fee in Canada was only 5 yuan but you of course had to deal with currency fluctuations.
Kinda ironic about the RMB dropping, a country that is still growing 7% with a GDP of 11-12 trillion compared to majority of Western countries that are teetering on recessions or 1% growth. Something not jiving there . . . .
My American colleague also looked into Bitcoin as another route for him to move his money back to the states, never found out if he was able to since he went to Laos. Bitcoin was too speculative for me to undertake since it is not backed by any financial institution. |
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getbehindthemule
Joined: 15 Oct 2015 Posts: 712 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:44 am Post subject: |
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@NS
Unfortunately Ireland doesnt accept it. I'm lucky with the Euro at the moment I guess, it must be so annoying for FTs from the USA.
@astrotrain
I did find a pretty convenient way of transferring money back home, avoiding trips to the bank. I got my gf (Chinese) to open a new account for me, in her name, about a year ago. We both went to the bank and got a tutorial on how to make an overseas online transaction.
She then gave me the card and the electronic gadget with the constantly changing password, so that I can transfer money to my Irish bank account whenever I wish. Charges are 180RMB per transaction regardless of the amount. My Irish bank also charges me twenty odd Euro. It's a little cheaper than going into the bank to do it and more importantly it saves a lot of time.
It is not a bad option if you have a Chinese partner or trusted friend who is willing to do this for you. |
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RiverMystic
Joined: 13 Jan 2009 Posts: 1986
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:07 am Post subject: |
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getbehindthemule wrote: |
@NS
Charges are 180RMB per transaction regardless of the amount. My Irish bank also charges me twenty odd Euro. |
Say, what? You are saying that something like RMB350 for a single transaction is a good deal? And are you saying you can transfer more than the maximum daily amount normally delimited for foreigners? I think this is something like RMB8000 (but I'm not sure). But it is something around that figure. But if you have to pay that amount for multiple transactions, it all adds up... money in the banks' pocket for doing nothing. |
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getbehindthemule
Joined: 15 Oct 2015 Posts: 712 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:25 am Post subject: |
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RiverMystic wrote: |
getbehindthemule wrote: |
@NS
Charges are 180RMB per transaction regardless of the amount. My Irish bank also charges me twenty odd Euro. |
Say, what? You are saying that something like RMB350 for a single transaction is a good deal? And are you saying you can transfer more than the maximum daily amount normally delimited for foreigners? I think this is something like RMB8000 (but I'm not sure). But it is something around that figure. But if you have to pay that amount for multiple transactions, it all adds up... money in the banks' pocket for doing nothing. |
That's the beauty of it, I can transfer as much as a Chinese national can in one go. So I could save up for 6 months or a year and transfer it all back in one lump sum and the bank charges are the same as they would be to transfer a few thousand yuan. |
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XiaoWren
Joined: 05 Aug 2016 Posts: 54 Location: Asia
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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getbehindthemule wrote: |
@NS
Unfortunately Ireland doesnt accept it. I'm lucky with the Euro at the moment I guess, it must be so annoying for FTs from the USA.
@astrotrain
I did find a pretty convenient way of transferring money back home, avoiding trips to the bank. I got my gf (Chinese) to open a new account for me, in her name, about a year ago. We both went to the bank and got a tutorial on how to make an overseas online transaction.
She then gave me the card and the electronic gadget with the constantly changing password, so that I can transfer money to my Irish bank account whenever I wish. Charges are 180RMB per transaction regardless of the amount. My Irish bank also charges me twenty odd Euro. It's a little cheaper than going into the bank to do it and more importantly it saves a lot of time.
It is not a bad option if you have a Chinese partner or trusted friend who is willing to do this for you. |
Have you thought about buying sterling? The recent fall in the pound was a pay rise for me. |
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Tazz
Joined: 26 Sep 2013 Posts: 512 Location: Jakarta
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Recent fall? The pound has been on the slide for the last 9-10 months....and it may continue!  |
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astrotrain
Joined: 18 Apr 2013 Posts: 96
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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getbehindthemule wrote: |
@NS
Unfortunately Ireland doesnt accept it. I'm lucky with the Euro at the moment I guess, it must be so annoying for FTs from the USA.
@astrotrain
I did find a pretty convenient way of transferring money back home, avoiding trips to the bank. I got my gf (Chinese) to open a new account for me, in her name, about a year ago. We both went to the bank and got a tutorial on how to make an overseas online transaction.
She then gave me the card and the electronic gadget with the constantly changing password, so that I can transfer money to my Irish bank account whenever I wish. Charges are 180RMB per transaction regardless of the amount. My Irish bank also charges me twenty odd Euro. It's a little cheaper than going into the bank to do it and more importantly it saves a lot of time.
It is not a bad option if you have a Chinese partner or trusted friend who is willing to do this for you. |
This is the most efficient method, I wanted to try this avenue since Chinese nationals have no limit restrictions on such transfers so one large sum can be done but you had an educated G.F while I had not. Tried to explain to her a zillion times, couldn't get thru. She stuck to her guns and stuffed my Debit card in a shoe and sent it back home, sigh . . . |
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