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Chroniclesoffreedom
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romanworld
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The Chinese have made it very clear what they'll do if Taiwan attempts to break away from the Motherland. Petitions like this only add fuel to the fire. Taiwan needs to admit that sooner or later it'll need to reunify with China if peace in the region - indeed, in the world - is to be achieved.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/03/international/asia/03CND-CHIN.html |
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Chroniclesoffreedom
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| romanworld wrote: |
The Chinese have made it very clear what they'll do if Taiwan attempts to break away from the Motherland. Petitions like this only add fuel to the fire. Taiwan needs to admit that sooner or later it'll need to reunify with China if peace in the region - indeed, in the world - is to be achieved.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/03/international/asia/03CND-CHIN.html |
Break away from the motherland? I assume Beijing issued the same warning to Shanghai, Suzhou, Sichuan, Inner Mongolia, and such?
To separate from the motherland, Taiwan would need to establish their own centralized government with a capital city and democratically elected leader which Beijing cannot veto. Taiwan cannot do that because that would be seen as separating from the motherland.
Taiwan better not establish their own military, air force, and navy which operates independently. No. That would be seen as separation from the motherland. The Diaoyu Islands are withing China's air defense zone. I guess Taiwan is also included as part of the air defense zone?
Taiwan better not have official diplomatic ties with 22 different countries. That would be seen as separating from the motherland. If you want to teach English in Taiwan, you need a visa from the PRC consulate.
It seems to me that Taiwan is already separate from the so called "motherland". Funny because the current PRC government never did rule Taiwan from the day the PRC government was formed. Declaring independence only means to change the ROC constitution, which means to change the constitutional title to "Taiwan Republic". That's it. It seems to me that Taiwan is already separate from China. I mean, was it the PRC Embassy or Consulate you ever had to deal with to get a visa for Taiwan? No. Assuming you come from a country that doesn't recognize Taipei, you had to go to a Taiwan representative office. Usually abbreviated TECO.
Taiwan is already separate. Plain and simple. Maintaining the status quo typically means to leave the constitution the way it is and continue functioning as a separate xountry the way Taiwan does. |
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romanworld
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| Chroniclesoffreedom wrote: |
| Taiwan is already separate. Plain and simple. Maintaining the status quo typically means to leave the constitution the way it is and continue functioning as a separate xountry the way Taiwan does. |
The Chinese assume that Taiwan will eventually rejoin the Motherland and become a part of it as did HK and Macau. The Spratly's too are considered part of China so they too fall under Chinese influence and are not to be touched by other countries. From China's point of view, this is all about realpolitik: They are the mighty country in the region and they are not to be messed with. Forget what might be in an ideal world, the China of today is not the weak divided nation it used to be, but a very powerful force that is itching to test its military hardware in the region. Push China too far and it will react. Just watch.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/china-warns-us-against-provocative-actions-south-china-sea-1534434 |
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Chroniclesoffreedom
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If there was enough pressure on China to simply leave Taiwan alone, the CCP would just yield and cower. They are nothing more than a school yard bully. Once something gets too challenging for them, they'll just cower away. These articles and official statements CCP makes are just tough talk.
Besides China is already powerful enough even without Taiwan that they can effectively defend themselves against any foreign country. As a matter of fact, no country even threatens China because no country see's it in their interests today to occupy China. If China wants Taiwan today, it's only so they can expand their military capabilities beyond Asia. Has nothing to do with their internal security.
The Taiwan issue does not impact the daily lives of the chinese people. Making Taiwan part of China will not improve the livelihoods of the chinese people either. If Taiwan becomes part of China, the Taiwan issue will become one less smokescreen for the ccp to use to divert peole's attention away from domestic issues such as the Tuidang (quit ccp) movement and other stuff like that. Let's look at the issues that truly matter to the chinese people. Hmmm. Petitioners get rounded up in Beijing for petitioning illegal land grabs and illegal home demolitions and if they petition, they get put into black jails. All the off scale pollution that happens in chinese cities which effect the health of chinese people. All the social domestic issues that challenge the chinese people today have nothing to do with Taiwan and making Taiwan part of China would not solve any of the domestic issues that effect the livelihoods of chinese people at all. In fact, the livelihoods of Taiwan's people are way better because Beijing has never ruled Taiwan. Being independent how they are is the only reason why Taiwan's people have civil liberties, rights, and social freedoms that the chinese don't have. Imagine how much better China would be if somehow by some divine miracle China fell under Taipei's rule.
The CCP does not care even a little bit about their national integrity. The CCP would sell out half the chinese nation to a foreign power if they had to, if it meant the CCP could become 10x more influential in world affairs. CCP talks tough. They say they are willing to make whatever sacrifices are necessary to bring so called "unity" to the chinese nation. Yeah. Just as long as it doesn't involve sacrificing their one party rule and existence. Just as long as it doesn't involve lifting the ban on falun gong. Just as long as it doesn't involve abolishing the great internet firewall. Just as long as it doesn't involve allowing lawyers such as Gao Zhisheng to freely leave China to be with his family in exile to America.
The CCP has a history of selling out chinese territory to appease a foreign power. They did it to appease the Soviet Union. At this point, relations with a foreign power became way more important than the integrity of the chinese nation. If selling out half the chinese nation would somehow make the CCP more influential in world affairs, they'd do it. Here's proof from the nine commentaries.
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“Liberate Taiwan” and “Unify Taiwan” have been the CCP’s propaganda slogans over the past few decades. By means of this propaganda, the CCP has acted like a nationalist and a patriot. Does the CCP truly care about the integrity of the nation’s territory? Not at all. Taiwan is merely a historic problem caused by the struggle between the CCP and KMT, and it is a means that the CCP uses to strike at its opponents and win people’s support.
In the early days when the CCP set up the “Chinese Soviet” during the KMT reign, Article 14 of its constitution stated that “any ethnic groups or any provinces inside China can claim independence.” In order to comply with the Soviet Union, the CCP’s slogan back then was “Protect the Soviet.” During the Sino-Japanese War, the primary goal of the CCP was to seize the opportunity to increase itself rather than to fight against Japanese intruders. In 1945 the Soviet Red Army entered Northeast China and committed robbery, murder, and rape, but the CCP did not utter a word of disapproval. Similarly, when the Soviet Union supported Outer Mongolia to become independent from China, the CCP was once again silent.
At the end of 1999, the CCP and Russia signed the China-Russia Border Survey Agreement, in which the CCP accepted all the unequal agreements between the Qing Dynasty and Russia made more than 100 years ago, and sold out over one million square kilometers of land to Russia, an area as large as several dozen Taiwans. In 2004, the CCP and Russia signed a China-Russia Eastern Border Supplemental Agreement and reportedly lost sovereignty of half of the Heixiazi Island in Heilongjiang Province to Russia again.
Regarding other border issues such as the Nansha Islands and Diaoyu Island, the CCP does not care at all since these issues do not impact the CCP’s control of power. The CCP has made a fanfare of “Unifying Taiwan,” which was merely a smoke screen and devious means for inciting blind patriotism and keeping the public attention off domestic conflict. |
Also, the chinese communist party are not the heros many chinese believe them to be. I won't go to far here, except to say that Mao himself thanked the Japanese for invading China. Reason is because the Japanese helped the CCP defeat the KMT. Therefore Japan doesn't need to apologize. Also Mao himself said that the best way to control the people is through the barrel of a gun. He learned that from the Japanese. Oddly enough, the CCP came to power and maintained their power in China the same way the Japanese did. Atrocities and mass murder were comitted by both. If Japan still occupied China to this day, by now the Chinese society would be almost the same as how it is now. Being ruled by the Japanese? Or being ruled by the CCP? What difference would it make today? Besides, researching history you will find that the CCP did almost nothing to fight the Japanese. Show's how patriotic and self sacrificial the CCP is.
The CCP serves itself before the chinese nation. They say they would do anything in the name of the interests of Chinese people. Yeah. But the central leaders of China would never die in the name of chinese people's interests.
Only thing I am trying to say to sum it all up is this. Threatening Taiwan the way China does now, and doing everything that they are doing to Taiwan. If Taiwan became too big of a challenge to China, then China would simply drop it. Remember in 1988 Taiwan had a nuclear weapons program. America pressured Taiwan to shut down that program. If America stood by and watched Taiwan become a nuclear armed power, China would certainly not be willing to sacrifice Shanghai to occupy Taiwan. China only does what they do only because they feel Taiwan shouldn't be too big of a challenge. http://thinking-taiwan.com/mit-a-bomb-made-in-taiwan/
I know we may disagree on things and that's fine. I just want to reiterate that my intentions are to keep my postings civil. |
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romanworld
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