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GPT (Sangcom) - a word of warning
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leggeymountbatten



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:32 pm    Post subject: GPT (Sangcom) - a word of warning Reply with quote

GPT are a military set up who teach Saudi National Guard recruits close to Riyadh.
The recruiter is an agency called "Pimento."

Nothing particularly with the recruitment agency, but the job itself is decidedly avoidable. They have a high staff turnover. The main problems are:
1. the place is ruled with an iron rod by the Saudi Training Manager. He has sacked and got rid of folk for little or no reason. He was subsequently told by HR to "leave it out" as the recruitment costs were getting out of hand. He is on a power trip and constantly exceeds his authority and issues formal warnings to employees without having the power to do so.

2. The problems are compounded by an insecure and inconsistent academic manager. He is himself petrified of losing his job. He also has a competence deficit causing staff no end of stress as he appears incapable of completing the most straightforward of tasks. He also suffers chronic ill health which adds to the feeling of everything being beyond him. To cap it all, there is a lot of nepotism. How you get treated depends very much if you are one of the "in" crowd. The inconsistency is appalling.

There is a very small teaching staff of about 13. Backstabbing is the order of the day. To be fair, not by all but by a vocal minority.

Overall not a pleasant experience.

Leggey
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cnthaiksarok



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: GPT (Sangcom) - a word of warning Reply with quote

leggeymountbatten wrote:
Saudi National Guard

leggeymountbatten wrote:
Overall not a pleasant experience.


I would never expect it to be. Firstly the very definition of 'work,' does not guarantee you a barrel of laughs. Secondly, a Saudi military add-on is of great significance.

Sorry you found out the hard way.

Can you share the salary with us?
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leggeymountbatten



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Message me..
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EnglishLanguageOne



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: GPT (Sangcom) - a word of warning Reply with quote

cnthaiksarok wrote:
leggeymountbatten wrote:
Saudi National Guard

leggeymountbatten wrote:
Overall not a pleasant experience.


I would never expect it to be. Firstly the very definition of 'work,' does not guarantee you a barrel of laughs. Secondly, a Saudi military add-on is of great significance.

Sorry you found out the hard way.

Can you share the salary with us?


The salary is 200,000. Leggy is absolutely spot on about this deeply unpleasant place to work.
Avoid at all costs.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

200,000 ? Saudi Riyals per annum ? I have never seen anyone quote a KSA salary in annual terms ! I wonder why.
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Lord T



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard about this place: the Saudi fires good people because he can.

You have to wonder why they go to great expense to recruit people; and then start to bully and intimidate them as soon as they walk through the door.

As for the so-called academic director, well he was a dairy manager in his home country, so not really an ideal background for the position:

ESL Academic Director wanted, must be able to milk a cow!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cream always rises to the top
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hash



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord T wrote:
ESL Academic Director wanted, must be able to milk a cow!

1-The Achilles' Heel of TESOL remains.

Despite countless academic programs leading to the PhD, innumerable "certificates" available in just about any country for a price, and superhuman efforts to "legitimize" TESOL and its sisters as a portentous academic field of study, the sad fact remains that most people, most employers, including most traditional academics working in academia, view TESOL as a silly field of endeavor best relegated to kindergarten and to the 1st or 2nd grades, if that. This attitude is topped off by the further demeaning belief that "anybody can do it" and that the field is populated with back-packing losers roaming the world trying to "find themselves". The results of these widely held convictions are too numerous and degrading to mention.

2- I thought the much vaunted Vinnell was in charge of ESLing the National Guard. What happened? Or is this just another related program? GPT, I believe, is a British or British-related outfit.

Any comments appreciated.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cnthaiksarok



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hash wrote:
I thought the much vaunted Vinnell was in charge of ESLing the National Guard. What happened? Or is this just another related program?


Thank you, hash for typing the question that was lingering somewhere in the back channels of my brain.

As far as I know, the Vinnell operation we know marches on and to a tune that's well over 200k, but I could be wrong. Haven't attempted to get any insider skinny in at least 2 years...
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EnglishLanguageOne



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cnthaiksarok wrote:
hash wrote:
I thought the much vaunted Vinnell was in charge of ESLing the National Guard. What happened? Or is this just another related program?


Thank you, hash for typing the question that was lingering somewhere in the back channels of my brain.

As far as I know, the Vinnell operation we know marches on and to a tune that's well over 200k, but I could be wrong. Haven't attempted to get any insider skinny in at least 2 years...


Its unrelated GPT Sangcom is part of a £1.5billion deal between the British Ministry of Defense and the Saudi government. Completely corrupt deal subject to parliamentary enquiry and then silenced. Its all on google.
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leggeymountbatten



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Word has it that more skulduggery is afoot again at GPT.

HR have contacted teaching staff with the good news that GPT have finally acquired a visa block for Iqamas. Teachers were instructed to get their documents attested and arrangements were made for them to go to the UK for medicals etc.

At the same time. the Saudi Training Manager has tried to undermine the whole process. He can no longer hire and fire with such regularity if people have a modicum of rights.

He has kicked off directly with HR for coming up with the iqamas, and he has tried to undermine individual teacher's efforts to book flights etc.

One teacher has been threatened with sanctions if he takes more than one week to do the necessary medical and paperwork in London. Something not in the gift of a teacher unfortunately. Anyone with experience of applying for an Iqama will know the delays that are inherent.

Meanwhile the academic supremo at GPT (former diary manager - see previous posts) is running around like a headless chicken, caught between the milk churn and the cow dung.

Leggey
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desertdust



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avoid this place. The teaching department is run by two individuals who have very little knowledge of teaching or education. One is a Saudi who at every level, undermines the rules and regulations of his own company and thinks that's really good management. The other westerner is a sycophant who looks after himself and couldn't care less about anything other than doing the minimal and taking lots of sick days.

Early morning starts and continual questioning of leave time and flights are the order of the day. All this will combine to wear you down over the months. Its not worth the extra money of 3000 SAR. Avoid, avoid, avoid unless you are a social masochist.


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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is a "social sadist" ?
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe he means masochist?

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