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dragonpiwo · Joined: 04 Mar 2013 Posts: 1650 Location: Berlin

It really is the end of the oil and gas EFL era. When my current position gets localized, I think it'll be all over as I don't fancy going back to a war zone again.

What do the other oil and gas instructors out there reckon?

Language Link are currently advertising a 28/28 rotation in Kazak for...wait for it......$2,000/month and a flight home. I laughed so hard I sharted.

santi84 · Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea

I can't speak for the ME but here in the Canadian oil sands, the o&g teaching jobs stopped popping up in late 2014. There are still occasional trades English, but nothing that was o&g specific like the past.

spiral78 · Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash

Yeah, I did some of those gigs in Canada and Russia in 2003-2006. They were great while they lasted, but it was clear from the start that they were ephemeral.
Happy I was able to snag a well-paid and benefitted gig in beautiful Central Europe. Wink

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Hod · Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 1613 Location: Home

What does a teacher need to teach in the oil and gas industry? I can imagine various hardships, but it's teaching English surely? I'm not having a go, I'm just curious what the job requires.

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dragonpiwo · Joined: 04 Mar 2013 Posts: 1650 Location: Berlin

The only company recruiting seems to be Aramco.

nomad soul · Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world

Hod · Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 1613 Location: Home

But is that so? I've got bags of aviation experience, and whenever I've done ESP courses, the technical stuff was of such a basic nature, anyone could have taught it. For more advanced aviation topics, any potential students would likely have enough English knowledge to have got that far, although I admit this would probably not be the case with oil and gas.

I think my question is what topics would be taught in oil and gas ESP? I imagine you get all levels from mechanics to geologists and real engineers. I have a fair idea what ESP the mechanics would need, but the other two groups would surely need a teacher who also just happened to have a degree in geology or engineering.

That school offering $2000 might just be teaching a few mechanics. I'm really curious how ESP works in oil and gas and what topics come up.

dragonpiwo · Joined: 04 Mar 2013 Posts: 1650 Location: Berlin

Here are just a few; gas process, rotating equipment, utilities, static equipment, HSE, H2S, LOTO, organic chemistry, separators, acid gas removal, dehydration, emulsions, piping and instrumentation, refrigeration, report writing .accident reports, risk assessments, log book writing, PTW, job cards, materials requests, service reports, M and I....it's endless.

Get the picture?

Hod · Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 1613 Location: Home

To play not only devil's advocate but also the role of that $2000 a month school, why can't report writing and the mainly administrative topics you listed after it be taught by anyone?

Before that, you have refrigeration which I had to study as part of the thermodynamics units of my engineering degree. Thermo was the subject everyone despised. I had degree course mates who are now chief engineers in aerospace or formula 1, and they too scraped by in thermo. You know where this is going. Your list also includes organic chemistry, which I know nothing about, and instrumentation, which I do a bit and it’s a specialist area that takes years to learn.

You can’t seriously tell me you know all these subjects to a great depth? If I think that way, then more importantly so will the $2000 a month school.
I think ESP is hard work. You can’t just turn to chapter 7 of Headway. But it’s not a black art nor is it rocket science, and like many other industries it can now be done on the cheap with little noticeable effect on the end product.
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santi84 · Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea

I can't speak for other programs, but here in Canada, the o&g instructors usually work with a cohort throughout their intensive programs at tech institutes. Another method I've seen is a typical ESL instructor and a engineer co-teacher.

dragonpiwo · Joined: 04 Mar 2013 Posts: 1650 Location: Berlin

17 years living on plants during which I've taken every opportunity to learn as much as I can.
Terminology courses prepping for the tech courses require skills and knowledge. Not just anyone can do them.
It's also about knowing what trainees need to know.

"Teacher, what's a thermosiphon?"

"Dunno, ask the tech teacher."

or

" It's a kind of heat exchanger. They are used in reboilers especially in amine (regeneration) units. Add it to the vocab list of other heat exchangers we have studied."

"Teacher, what is foaming in an amine absorber?"

"Dunno, ask the tech teacher."

Etc etc etc

See where I'm going?

Which teacher would you hire/want? And which teacher is worth more?