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Eric



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:51 pm    Post subject: Grammar question. Reply with quote

I was recently asked if one would say, "In the summer" or "In summer".

Can anyone tell me which is correct and when.

Thanks,
Eric
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king kakipi



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off the top of my head, and with no guarantee that this is right, I would use the definite article (the) when talking about a specific summer and omit it when talking about summer in general. eg
Ah, in the summer of 1983, I fell in love for the first time; I remember it well
I usually wear shorts to work in summer
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take hospital, as an example:

My father is in hospital. / My father is in the hospital.

The first sentence tells us as a certainty that my father was admitted to the hospital as a patient. The second one is not clear. Is he a patient, a doctor, or a visitor?

Seasons cannot be seen this way.

I like dancing in summer. I like dancing in the summer.

The second sentence needs "time" added after summer, making it "summertime".

Hope this helps.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:55 am    Post subject: About the "the" Reply with quote

Whoa, let's not make this darn language any more complicated that it already is:

If you're referring to a specific summer - e.g. I met her in the summer of '76.

you need the article. But if it's "general", either one is OK - e.g. I like to swim in summer/the summer.

The "hospital" matter is mostly a British/American difference. In British English, the article "the" is usually dropped - e.g. He's in hospita - whereas Americans will usually add "the" - e.g. He's in the hospital.

It's the same principle as American use with "school" - e.g. He's in school.

The words "hospital" and "school" as used here are not referring to specific buildings, but to general ideas - i.e. He's in hospital = He's sick
He's in school - He's getting an education (one hopes).
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John
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shmooj



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:
Take hospital, as an example:

My father is in hospital. / My father is in the hospital.

The first sentence tells us as a certainty that my father was admitted to the hospital as a patient. The second one is not clear. Is he a patient, a doctor, or a visitor?

Seasons cannot be seen this way.

I like dancing in summer. I like dancing in the summer.

The second sentence needs "time" added after summer, making it "summertime".

Hope this helps.

Ah no... this is misleading. The simple answer to this and the one that would give in class would be that there are 4.5 million google hits for "in the summer" and only a mere 3 million for "in summer"
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Eric



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:57 pm    Post subject: Thanks for the enlightenment. Reply with quote

I learned how to ride a bicycle in the summer. Doesn't this sound correct without the element of time. I think Smooj was correct. Language is constantly changing, so whatever form is most popular must be the one to use.

Eric
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:18 pm    Post subject: Sum, sum, summertime Reply with quote

Dear Eric,
But that's because you're referring (without giving the date) to a SPECIFIC summer.

You could say, though -

I love riding my bicycle in summer/the summer

or

In summer/the summer, I love to ride my bycycle.

"Common count nouns are used without articles in certain special situations:

with seasons: In spring, we like to clean the house."

from:

http://www.vnn.vn/vnn4/practice/grammar/article.htm

also -

"With the seasons, we don�t usually use an article, unless we are talking about a known and specific season and then we can use �the�
For example: We met in the summer = We met last summer.


from:

http://www.video-english.com/4/map.php?exercise=2989&type=Grammar

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John
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