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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:14 am    Post subject: Tattoos, piercings & man buns Reply with quote

For clarification, a man bun is a hairstyle. Wink

There's consensus that having a neat appearance is important. However, some westerners like to express their individuality with body ink, neon hair color, body piercings, etc.

Based on your teaching region/location, do cultural or religious taboos and stereotypes against tats, facial piercings, and men with buns/long hair exist? Do these displays of uniqueness greatly hurt a job seeker's ability to score a teaching post?
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We hired plenty of weirdos but none with inks, stamps, body metal, ear-rings or funny hairstyles. Being crazy was okay though.
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ExpatLuke



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tattoos do have a stigma here in Vietnam, so we ask that our teachers cover them.

I can't say that we've every hired someone with excessive piercings. Just the relatively normal ones.

I think if anyone had a man bun or neon colored hair, they wouldn't make it passed the interview... But I don't think we've ever had those types apply.
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Shonai Ben



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
Being crazy was okay though.


.......hahaha.......so true.
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kpjf



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happened to see this the other day: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/14/japan-tube-drivers-seek-damages-beard-row-osaka
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Magic Kingdom, having tattoo might lead to this .......

Saudi bans footballers with tattoos: report
Saudi Arabia’s religious police have told foreign players with tattoos on their arms to cover such drawings while on the field, saying they are adversely affecting young Saudis, a newspaper reported on Monday.

The Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice sent a letter to the Higher Youth Committee asking it to warn all foreign players in the conservative Muslim Gulf kingdom to cover their tattoos before going into the field during matches, Sabq Arabic language daily said.

The letter cited Columbian player at Al Nasr Club, Juan Pablo Pino, whose hands and shoulders are covered with tattoos “in violation of existing rules.”

http://www.emirates247.com/news/saudi-bans-footballers-with-tattoos-report-2011-10-10-1.422726
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tellersquill



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got tattoos along all of my arms. When I wear a shirt its impossible to see them so its not a massive factor. I have, however, turned a job just this last week because I noticed the made staff wear those awful short sleeve polo shirts.

I avoid any company that requires a uniform tshirt as a general rule anyway. But my thing was I turned them down because I had tattoos, rather then them rejecting me. I did this because it is me who wants to have a professional image when I work in a classroom.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 5 tattoes, and I had a job where it was written into the contract that I could not have tattoes. Since they are all in areas that could be easily covered it was not an issue, until one day when I wore a skirt to work and a couple of them were visible. For some reason someone felt it necesary to report me, and I was reprimanded and told to make sure they were covered. This was in Mexico, about 10 years ago. I also had someone complain about a teacher who had a tattoe on his arm in a different school. This was about 7 or 8 years ago. When I was in a hiring postion, a man bun would be less problematic than a tattoe.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BadBeagleBad wrote:
I have 5 tattoes, and I had a job where it was written into the contract that I could not have tattoes. Since they are all in areas that could be easily covered it was not an issue, until one day when I wore a skirt to work and a couple of them were visible. For some reason someone felt it necesary to report me, and I was reprimanded and told to make sure they were covered. This was in Mexico, about 10 years ago. I also had someone complain about a teacher who had a tattoe on his arm in a different school. This was about 7 or 8 years ago. When I was in a hiring postion, a man bun would be less problematic than a tattoe.

I think if they can be covered then there is no issue.

Although there are some people with a personal vendetta against them. They're the types who just loathe them for whatever reason and take a disliking to anyone who has them.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tellersquill wrote:
Although there are some people with a personal vendetta against them. They're the types who just loathe them for whatever reason and take a disliking to anyone who has them.

It's not always a "personal vendetta." Be aware there are countries where tattoos are culturally taboo. Some religious groups frown upon body ink as well. Something to be mindful of if you're planning to work abroad.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tellersquill wrote:


Although there are some people with a personal vendetta against them. They're the types who just loathe them for whatever reason and take a disliking to anyone who has them.


I think there are a LOT of people with prejudices against tattoes. Several years ago I was taking a course in Mexico and went out for something to eat with several other students in the class, one American, an Aussie and two Mexicans. Somehow we go on the subject of tattoes and the American went off on people who have tattoes and what kind of people they were. Turned out all of the rest of us had one, and had stories to tell about them. I don't think we changed his mind, he still said he would NEVER get one for any reason, which kind of discounted OUR reasons. I'll admit, for two of my tattoes the reason is lightweight, haha, it's that I like dragonflies, but the other three do have personal reasons. I think that is what happened with the person who reported me for having a tattoe, preconceived notions
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are tattoes?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BadBeagleBad wrote:
I think that is what happened with the person who reported me for having a tattoe, preconceived notions

Do you think your coworker wouldn't have tattled on you (no pun intended) if there had not been a "no body ink" clause in your employment contract?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BadBeagleBad wrote:
tellersquill wrote:


Although there are some people with a personal vendetta against them. They're the types who just loathe them for whatever reason and take a disliking to anyone who has them.


I think there are a LOT of people with prejudices against tattoes. Several years ago I was taking a course in Mexico and went out for something to eat with several other students in the class, one American, an Aussie and two Mexicans. Somehow we go on the subject of tattoes and the American went off on people who have tattoes and what kind of people they were. Turned out all of the rest of us had one, and had stories to tell about them. I don't think we changed his mind, he still said he would NEVER get one for any reason, which kind of discounted OUR reasons. I'll admit, for two of my tattoes the reason is lightweight, haha, it's that I like dragonflies, but the other three do have personal reasons. I think that is what happened with the person who reported me for having a tattoe, preconceived notions


I think the problem people have with tattoos is not necessarily that they look bad but that having one in a prominent position is kind of proof that that particular person didn't have the mental capacity to accept that their future self might look at things in s different way. It either displays pig-headed-ness or a general lack of intelligence.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bograt wrote:
I think the problem people have with tattoos is not necessarily that they look bad but that having one in a prominent position is kind of proof that that particular person didn't have the mental capacity to accept that their future self might look at things in s different way. It either displays pig-headed-ness or a general lack of intelligence.

That's rather judgmental. Razz
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