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What salary bracket are you in? |
Under 25k USD per annum |
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12% |
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25-30k |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
30-35k |
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12% |
[ 1 ] |
35-40k |
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0% |
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40-45k |
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0% |
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45-50k |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
50-55k |
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25% |
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55-60k |
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12% |
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60-65k |
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0% |
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Above 65k |
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37% |
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Kowloon
Joined: 11 Jan 2016 Posts: 133
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:56 am Post subject: Salary range in TEFL |
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Please vote for your post tax salary bracket. A lot of talk on here about earning potential/problems, but rare for people to put their money where their mouth is and state their earnings (excuse the pun!) This allows us all to do it anonymously
Please try and calculate benefits such as housing into your salary before voting (as if it were part of your monthly take home). If you work two proper part-time jobs to make up your week then include the combined salary. If you work one proper full-time job but do extra unofficial privates then please exclude the privates when voting. If you're free lance then vote based on an average year's income.
Here is a link to a currency converter https://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/ |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:16 am Post subject: |
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Meaningless. Cost of living in the country is key. If I tell you I make the equivalent of about fifty thou US per annum, you have no idea if I am living like a pauper or a king. |
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HeidiHector
Joined: 10 May 2017 Posts: 36 Location: China
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:05 am Post subject: |
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How very true!! I thought when I voted that this only polled the teachers in China. I guess I was confused by all those tabs I had on my browser.
So here goes (all before tax and including perks):
I worked for two Sino-Foreign universities in two different Tier Two cities in China.
Job One (2010-2013) Ending salary $45-46k
Job Two (2013-Present) Ending salary $50-51k
I'm starting a job in Hong Kong in the fall cuz I can't take the pollution on the Mainland anymore. Though I have effectively taken a significant pay cut given the cost of living in HK, I think it's well worth it in the long run.
Job Three Starting salary $58k
I've often heard from former colleagues that salaries in the ME are much higher, to the tune of $60k starting. I am curious to hear what people from that region have to say.
Cheers. |
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Jmbf
Joined: 29 Jun 2014 Posts: 663
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:51 am Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
Meaningless. Cost of living in the country is key. If I tell you I make the equivalent of about fifty thou US per annum, you have no idea if I am living like a pauper or a king. |
Yes and no. No doubt adding a location alongside income would provide much more meaningful data. However it's still interesting to see an updated range of ESL / EFL salaries and pure salary by itself can reveal a few things. To use your own example, there are only a very few places in the world where a USD 50K income would mean living like a pauper. If you earn 50K we can assume that aside from a few exceptions that you are doing relatively ok.
Having said that, adding location info would slightly detract from the anonymous nature of the poll which might deter some posters. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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International comparisons of earnings and expenditure are very complex - and in the long run do not mean very much. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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The other issue is that, assuming that 'I' earn the equivalent of 50,000 USD annually in 'my' location, that does not mean that 'you' could move 'here' and expect equivalent pay. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
International comparisons of earnings and expenditure are very complex - and in the long run do not mean very much. |
Ditto that. The field of TESOL is so broad. There are way too many variables involved (e.g., teaching situation, role/responsibilities, credentials, years of experience, length of time in the position, hours worked, age, gender, nationality, country cost of living... yada yada).
Job seekers can get a general idea what their particular qualifications might snag them based on salaries posted in job ads for their target regions and teaching situation. Or else, they can apply. |
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suphanburi
Joined: 20 Mar 2014 Posts: 916
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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A most meaningless poll if ever there was one.
Salary range varies WIDELY from country to country along with the cost and quality of living.
As an example, a young, 20-something, coming to Asia with a newly minted BA in an unrelated subject is likely to be earning between $1000-2000 per month and the position may or may not include other benefits.
eg: Korea pays about $24k per year plus housing and airfare.
China will offer somewhere between $14k and 30k per year and MAY, depending on the city/province offer other benefits.
Thailand will pay about $10k/year with NO other benefits.
You can expect about $7500/year in Cambodia or Laos and $15-20k in Vietnam.
At the other end of the scale, for those with proper teaching credentials and experience, a remuneration package in the range of $50-65k per year is certainly on the table across the region.
Depending on where you are located that can give you a lifestyle akin to anything from "comfortable" to downright luxurious. Personally, I like flying on the top deck of an Emirates or Sing Air A380 ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RTB7v31Fms ) and the Krisworld lounge at Changi airport or the Emirates lounge in Dubai or HK are pretty nice from the inside and a salary in the 2+ million THB/year range goes a LONG way in Thailand.
The same may not necessarily be true in other countries or regions. 65k USD does not stretch nearly as far if you are working in HK, Shanghai or Singapore.
It would be very comfortable but you probably wouldn't be wasting cash flying "top deck".
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bograt
Joined: 12 Nov 2014 Posts: 331
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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I can see this is shaping up to be one of those 'this poll is meaningless'! but by the way this is how much I make everybody' kind of polls. |
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suphanburi
Joined: 20 Mar 2014 Posts: 916
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:52 am Post subject: |
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bograt wrote: |
I can see this is shaping up to be one of those 'this poll is meaningless'! but by the way this is how much I make everybody' kind of polls. |
Point is that $65k goes a long way in Thailand but not so far if you live in Singapore or HK and it takes a LONG time to get there unless you are already an experienced and certified teacher / adjunct professor at home.
On the other end of the scale, $15k is pretty standard at the entry level in China or SE Asia and $25k is pretty standard at the entry level in Korea/Japan.
There are those of us who do make near or over the top end of the poll scale but we also have certifications, graduate and post graduate credentials and YEARS of experience. We are clearly not entry level EFL teachers.
On the other hand there are those entry level newbies who look at us and wonder why they cannot make $50k+ per year. We skew the data curve well out to the right. The poll is comparing apples to oranges to bananas and hoping for some meaningful answer. It doesn't exist.
A more accurate determination of worth would be to look at the labor market and see what the local salaries are as compared to what the local cost of living is and what lifestyle you can afford on that salary in that economy.
$15k will give you an OK lifestyle in Thailand (even more so outside of Bangkok) and a very nice lifestyle in Cambodia or Laos but won't stretch very far in Hong Kong or Shanghai where just your rent will set you back $15k per year.
In Korea your 24k is just about all disposable income since furnished housing and airfare are usually included benefits but in SE Asia EVERYTHING has to come out of your income (setup costs, rent, utilities, food, airfare, medical, etc). China falls somewhere in between those two.
If you want to poll and get something meaningful out of it then narrow it down and look at: savings potential, lifestyle on provided income, etc. A reflection on purchasing power parity will give you something meaningful to compare (think "Big Mac Index").
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Kowloon
Joined: 11 Jan 2016 Posts: 133
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:19 am Post subject: |
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HeidiHector wrote: |
How very true!! I thought when I voted that this only polled the teachers in China. I guess I was confused by all those tabs I had on my browser.
So here goes (all before tax and including perks):
I worked for two Sino-Foreign universities in two different Tier Two cities in China.
Job One (2010-2013) Ending salary $45-46k
Job Two (2013-Present) Ending salary $50-51k
I'm starting a job in Hong Kong in the fall cuz I can't take the pollution on the Mainland anymore. Though I have effectively taken a significant pay cut given the cost of living in HK, I think it's well worth it in the long run.
Job Three Starting salary $58k
I've often heard from former colleagues that salaries in the ME are much higher, to the tune of $60k starting. I am curious to hear what people from that region have to say.
Cheers. |
Thanks for sharing
I also work in Hong Kong, in a Primary school. I earn just over 75k usd per year. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:01 am Post subject: |
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So that is twice what a teacher might get in Scotland. Does that means you are twice as rich ? |
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