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huoguojiggae2017
Joined: 13 Jul 2017 Posts: 57
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:26 am Post subject: Criminal Background Questions |
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After being told I needed to get a Chinese consulate to authenticate my diploma, I did it. Then, I was told I needed to get a TEFL, so I did that last month. Now, I am being told I have 3 months to get a criminal background check. I am from the USA.
I am being told by the recruiter it doesn't have to be a FBI check, meaning I don't need to get fingerprints. Is this possible or does someone know if the rule is absolute that everyone needs fingerprints like a bachelor's degree?
If it depends on location, fine. Then, my next question is do I get a state criminal check or just a local one in my hometown?
Any help in this would be appreciated. Please don't send links but post your latest personal understanding of the situation. Thank you in advance. |
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The bear
Joined: 16 Aug 2015 Posts: 483
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:56 am Post subject: Re: Criminal Background Questions |
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| huoguojiggae2017 wrote: |
After being told I needed to get a Chinese consulate to authenticate my diploma, I did it. Then, I was told I needed to get a TEFL, so I did that last month. Now, I am being told I have 3 months to get a criminal background check. I am from the USA.
I am being told by the recruiter it doesn't have to be a FBI check, meaning I don't need to get fingerprints. Is this possible or does someone know if the rule is absolute that everyone needs fingerprints like a bachelor's degree?
If it depends on location, fine. Then, my next question is do I get a state criminal check or just a local one in my hometown?
Any help in this would be appreciated. Please don't send links but post your latest personal understanding of the situation. Thank you in advance. |
My personal understanding of the situation is that nobody knows what's needed.
That's the state China's in at the minute. Jumping through hoops that are constantly changing. You do one thing, then get told you have to do another.
In your situation I'd just do the cheapest, easiest option you can. So a local one by the sounds of it. Things like police checks have an expiry date, or won't be accepted after a certain period of time. So an expensive/timely FBI check may not be valid for your next job, so you wasted that. If the employer/PSB will accept a local one, do that is my advice.
On similar note, it's not always the FAO/Employers fault as they're the ones dealing with the local Chinese PSB. Sometimes it's the PSB workers that don't know and the message gets passed onto the FAO. However, it is the FAO's job to keep up with rules and regulations related to foreigners - it's literally in their job title. So when they don't know things a bunch of non-native speakers know on the other side of the world, makes you question things. |
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huoguojiggae2017
Joined: 13 Jul 2017 Posts: 57
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:13 am Post subject: |
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When I was in Beijing my employers went to another place I thought than the PSB. Then, when I went to get my residence permit, we would all go together and apply for my residence permit.
Now, in other areas it seems like the PSB is the ONLY place to go to.
You stated, "If the employer/PSB will accept a local one, do that is my advice."
So, my school should be asking the PSB, not some other entity? They are uploading my documents to a site and that group has a different name. Perhaps they are connected with the PSB? However, PSB is the ONLY people we need to deal with at this stage as it pertains to the criminal background check? |
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huoguojiggae2017
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Another question is, they keep referring to "China Embassy", which leads me to http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/ in Washington DC.
Does a local police check really have to go to DC and get authenticated there? If it needs to get authenticated, can I send it to New York consulate instead? How about the Chinese consulate in Chicago?
Would any consulate do, or does it specifically have to be DC or another one? |
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The bear
Joined: 16 Aug 2015 Posts: 483
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| huoguojiggae2017 wrote: |
When I was in Beijing my employers went to another place I thought than the PSB. Then, when I went to get my residence permit, we would all go together and apply for my residence permit.
Now, in other areas it seems like the PSB is the ONLY place to go to.
You stated, "If the employer/PSB will accept a local one, do that is my advice."
So, my school should be asking the PSB, not some other entity? They are uploading my documents to a site and that group has a different name. Perhaps they are connected with the PSB? However, PSB is the ONLY people we need to deal with at this stage as it pertains to the criminal background check? |
Yes. The Public Security Bureau (PSB) is the department that issues Residency Permits. It's my understanding there's a new system whereby employers can upload documents online in a step by step process before the issuing of a residency permit/visa. So the employer has to upload the scans of documents one by one then you can get the RP. I'm not sure what the website is, but it's definitely linked to the PSB in some way.
A consulate should be fine, if they offer the service. Chances are the employer just says 'embassy' as that's the word they know. |
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huoguojiggae2017
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Yes. The Public Security Bureau (PSB) is the department that issues Residency Permits. |
They are the ones to do the residence permit, but that is not my concern. First you have to get an FEC. My understanding is this is what the school is trying to do now. Then, we go the PSB for the residence permit.
In Beijing, I remember my employer going to another place first for the FEC, and then we went together to the PSB to get my residence permit. However, in smaller cities it appears there isn't a second location. The PSB would handle both FEC and residence permit?
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| It's my understanding there's a new system whereby employers can upload documents online in a step by step process before the issuing of a residency permit/visa. So the employer has to upload the scans of documents one by one then you can get the RP. I'm not sure what the website is, but it's definitely linked to the PSB in some way. |
So, you think the school has an FEC already? They are uploading documents now, but I thought this was for the FEC. |
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The bear
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:29 am Post subject: |
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I've only ever know the PSB deal with FEC/RP issues. Nowhere else.
And with the new system, FECs are now being integrated/changed into some sort of card. So FECs aren't being issued in some areas, they're going to a card system and have been doing since April the 1st this year. So depending on where you are, could be that you're going to get one. |
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Modernist
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:33 am Post subject: |
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You're thinking of the FEB, the Foreign Expert Bureau. They're the ones who verify all the documents and supposedly issue FECs (Foreign Expert Certificates). The FECs are required in order for the EEA (Entry-Exit Administration) of the PSB (Public Security Bureau) to issue the Residence Permit based on a previously issued Z visa (from outside the PRC) or a transferred permit from another jurisdiction inside the PRC.
Anyway, as far as I know, they can accept all sorts of checks at the moment. The bear is right that FBI checks are wasted on them, as they take forever to get but are useless if they are not authenticated (as federal documents, they may ONLY be authenticated at the DC Chinese embassy, too).
I got a state level check myself, and had it authenticated at the closest Chinese consulate. Local checks may not be as easy to authenticate, as the Chinese seem to like to find reasons to say no to documents if they can find any excuse whatsoever (and you'll need a state level certification of the check before the consulate will take it, anyway). I used a name level check, in my state you don't need fingerprints for those. However, I saw that soon, my state will stop issuing paper records for these requests, only digital ones. Of course China will never accept that, so who knows what I'll have to do next time...
Remember that if you use the consulates, they have districts that are their areas, and the check must be from a state in their area or they won't authenticate it. |
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huoguojiggae2017
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| Remember that if you use the consulates, they have districts that are their areas, and the check must be from a state in their area or they won't authenticate it. |
Sometimes this is true, sometimes not. The Chicago consulate is the one that handles my state, but recently in June I had to get my diploma authenticated and I got it done through the NY consulate. |
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nimadecaomei
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| I know in California no matter local or state you need fingerprints. Also, the local one often will send the prints to the state anyway, who will then check against fingerprint records. I recently did the California state one. Cost $32, minus the cost of fingerprinting, shipping my fingerprints from China to the US etc. Took about two weeks for the results. Not sure all states would be the same though. |
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nimadecaomei
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Remember that if you use the consulates, they have districts that are their areas, and the check must be from a state in their area or they won't authenticate it. |
Sometimes this is true, sometimes not. The Chicago consulate is the one that handles my state, but recently in June I had to get my diploma authenticated and I got it done through the NY consulate. |
True, my document and myself are both from California, but recently my degree was authenticated through NY. |
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tin man
Joined: 18 Jun 2010 Posts: 137
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| I am in TX. My school asked for an authenticated degree as well as a police check. Again, both needed to be authenticated. The police check was a simple process and cost me $20 and they notarized it at the police station. I gave both documents to the agent for authentication and it has been submitted by the school to the local authorities. No feedback as of yet |
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