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btsmrtfan
Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Posts: 193 Location: GPS Not Working
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:00 am Post subject: "So" |
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So I have been wondering recently about the apparent obsession by far too many Americans starting virtually every spoken reply, statement or question with "so" and rarely any other word. So you see and hear this all the time and especially by supposedly well educated people. So how would you explain this? So do you think they are just being lazy? So could it be the lack of a well developed vocabulary from which to select words other than "so" and for which they would be applauded by their listeners?
So do you teach your ESL students to use "so" in the above manner? So if you do, why ?
So I am really looking forward to your comments.
So thanks and enjoy your day. |
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Dream_Seller
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:11 am Post subject: |
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There was a study done on this..NPR Radio does this often. It makes it appear as if the person speaking is intellectual. It's rather annoying ....just listen to NPR and you will hear an interviewee answer with..."so...." |
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btsmrtfan
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Dream_Seller wrote: |
There was a study done on this..NPR Radio does this often. It makes it appear as if the person speaking is intellectual. It's rather annoying ....just listen to NPR and you will hear an interviewee answer with..."so...." |
I agree it is annoying.
Regarding rhe notion that it makes the speaker appear intellectual, I believe it results in a direct opposite impression of the speaker. It surely does for me, and I doubt that I am alone. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:24 am Post subject: |
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The article, So, When Did We Start Introducing Sentences with So, might interest you.
I'm in the US and don't notice an overuse of "so" to start a written or spoken statement. If anything, I often hear "look" at the beginning of spoken commentary, mainly from reporters, political pundits, and politicians to mean "pay attention" when clarifying or emphasizing what they feel is an important point. For example: "Look. The law was poorly written, which is why the public reacted with confusion and anger." |
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MotherF
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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So is a pragmatic particle, some people use it more often than others, and it is used in certain situations more often than others. They can be used to give time to think, or to insert an opinion or show empathy among other functions. It's my personal belief that so used in this way is much more common among Americans than other nationalities, but pragmatic particle use in general is wide spread around the globe. Overuse in a conversation probably shows nervousness on the part of the speaker. Just this morning I was listening to an interview of the British Journalist, Nina Lakhani. Listen to her use of you know. I found it extremely hard to listen to and even thought--who let this woman on the radio--but then I paused to reflect that she had reason to be nervous, she might have put her name on the very list she's reporting about by reporting about it.
https://www.democracynow.org/2017/3/3/part_2_expose_shows_environmental_activist |
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danshengou
Joined: 17 Feb 2016 Posts: 434 Location: A bizarre overcrowded hole
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't go into too much detail like this with a class
Conjunction and adverb are the main two uses I would teach. The linguistics stuff is just a waste of time unless a student approaches you with a specific question about it, which is highly unlikely. |
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mitsui
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1562 Location: Kawasaki
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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I think it is the opposite. I hear it at the end of a sentence or a person is saying something then ends with "so..." and just stops talking.
Annoying, yes. |
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btsmrtfan
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:22 am Post subject: |
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The "Soers" seem to be addicted to the repetitive, excessive and unimaginative use of this very poor English language crutch.
Not so long ago, I was watching one of the cable news networks and a talking head appeared that began his opening statement with his favorite two letter English language word. He then went on to answer three follow-up questions beginning each response again with the same two letter word being discussion here.
Why anyone would willingly choose to alienate and otherwise cause listeners to quickly lose interest in what he or she is saying is beyond me.
Hopefully, such usage is not being taught as acceptable and proper in ESL circles. Unfortunately, I fear it is already amongst us.
So sad, wouldn't you agree? |
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taikibansei
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:04 am Post subject: |
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I agree, this ugly practice--which originated in British English--has sadly spread to the former colonies. The obvious and only solution is to ban Chaucer (who uses it), Shakespeare (who uses it), etc. etc. from all school reading lists, as well as immediately terminate any native English speaker who dares even to have dreams where the offending word begins a sentence.
While we're at it, I think we should also call for an immediate end to both language variation and language change. To be honest, and I know you'll agree, English hasn't been the same since the Norman conquest. We need to go back to our Anglo-Frisian roots and, uh, make English great again.
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btsmrtfan
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:50 am Post subject: |
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taikibansei wrote: |
I agree, this ugly practice--which originated in British English--has sadly spread to the former colonies. The obvious and only solution is to ban Chaucer (who uses it), Shakespeare (who uses it), etc. etc. from all school reading lists, as well as immediately terminate any native English speaker who dares even to have dreams where the offending word begins a sentence.
While we're at it, I think we should also call for an immediate end to both language variation and language change. To be honest, and I know you'll agree, English hasn't been the same since the Norman conquest. We need to go back to our Anglo-Frisian roots and, uh, make English great again.
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Why would you mention this to EFL students? I have yet to notice any ESL students pick it up, despite years of immersion exposure to the linguistic quirks of native speakers. I'm sure they'd love to become proficient enough adopt so into pragmatic usage, but it doesn't seem to take. |
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CTravel32
Joined: 01 Mar 2017 Posts: 85
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:25 am Post subject: |
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When my kids are talking a lot but start to quiet down, I might say: so, for today....
But I am trying to get rid of the habit. I do not do it as much as others, but still. |
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getbehindthemule
Joined: 15 Oct 2015 Posts: 712 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:10 am Post subject: |
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'Ok'... seems to be my one. I never realised that I used or overly used this at the beginning of sentances until some young students (Grade 2), in my small private class, pointed it out!  |
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currentaffairs
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:11 am Post subject: |
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'Like' at the beginning of a sentence is the one that grates for me. |
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Wayland
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:39 am Post subject: |
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I've actually noticed a few of my more advanced students have picked this up. They're the type of student who are enamored with English pop culture, so they spend 90% of the free time watching various youtube or twitch channels. They pick up a lot of spoken English habits which they then put into their writing.
So it's definitely out there. |
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