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vorticity
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 Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:28 am Post subject: Chances of a decent position |
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Morning all
Could I possibly elicit your opinions on my prospects of landing a decent teaching position in the country based on the following: - Around 6 years of experience, including management; - Masters in Education.
Much appreciated
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scot47
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Experience where ? Doing what ?
If it is EFL then you have a chance of something, but be aware of the caveat that follows !
I know two employers in Saudi Arabia who routinely binned applications from people who had worked in Korea. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| vorticity wrote: |
| Could I possibly elicit your opinions on my prospects of landing a decent teaching position in the country based on the following: - Around 6 years of experience, including management; - Masters in Education. |
It's unclear what you mean by decent, but the simplest answer is to scout the umpteen job postings and apply for those positions that match your background and experience. Saudi Arabia is the easiest country in the Gulf to snag a TEFL job in terms of qualifications. |
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vorticity
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| Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies.
Six years in Saudi, that is. EFL, yes. In terms of decent, using this board as a reference point; evoking the lofty standards of its habitues :)
Upwards of 20k SAR all inclusive, realistic?
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scot47
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Twenty thousand Riyals with accommodation, health cover and ticketing ?
There are such jobs. How easy to find I am not sure. You may have to set your sights lower. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| vorticity wrote: |
Six years in Saudi, that is. EFL, yes.
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Upwards of 20k SAR all inclusive, realistic? |
Possibly via an oil or defense/military contractor (for male teachers only). They generally post on the major TEFL job sites. If you're female, see the sticky about getting a direct-hire job.
Whether you can get 20K... You'll have to apply to see what your qualifications are worth -- if you're able to get more than what you earned when you previously taught in KSA.
You might also take a look at Salary expectations vs. reality. |
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Foo_Fighters_Dave
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What is the point of people posting threads like this? Why not apply to jobs and find out? No one can really give an honest answer without looking at the OP's resume and knowing his background.
He worked in Saudi for six years before so he should know better than most if he can hit his target. |
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Gulezar
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| Foo_Fighters_Dave wrote: |
What is the point of people posting threads like this? Why not apply to jobs and find out? No one can really give an honest answer without looking at the OP's resume and knowing his background.
He worked in Saudi for six years before so he should know better than most if he can hit his target. |
Amen! These days, nobody can tell you what your contract offer might look like. Even after an interview, you are really in the dark until you get the offer. It seems that Gulf employers use the unsavory tactic of requesting letters of service and previous salary on which to base their offers.
KSA also pays based on passport. Therefore, I wonder if Vorticity's eloquent language might indicate his (her) place of origin. Personally, such issues as place of origin and previous salary should not impact one's salary expectations; realistically, they do. |
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sicklyman
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| scot47 wrote: |
| I know two employers in Saudi Arabia who routinely binned applications from people who had worked in Korea. |
and I know one that is routinely regarded as the "best" who routinely doesn't... so.... |
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vorticity
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| What is the point of people posting threads like this? |
Soliciting the experiences of others who may - via those experiences - be able to offer hope or otherwise in my pursuit of the aforementioned. Quite simple, really. Indeed, I'm not quite sure what the point of such a post is.
To the others, I thank you again for your input.
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Foo_Fighters_Dave
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| What is the point of people posting threads like this? |
Soliciting the experiences of others who may - via those experiences - be able to offer hope or otherwise in my pursuit of the aforementioned. Quite simple, really. Indeed, I'm not quite sure what the point of such a post is.
You worked here for six years in Saudi Arabia plus you know what your references and qualifications are. You can look at ads and apply. The point of the post is why do people post threads like this when they can apply to jobs?
Find jobs you are interested in and apply. No one can really tell you what you want to hear. |
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enterthedragon
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| I don't think there are any jobs in SA for 20,000 SAR plus free accommodation. I think 15k is about the most any employer offers at present. A lot offer less than this like the notorious Q company who offers teachers 9000 (at least they did a year or so ago). I work at an intl school and even intl schools in SA only pay around 15-23k. And 23k is the top of the scale so I believe (for a standard teacher). Gone are the days where you can earn wads of money in SA or the ME. I think BA Systems are high payers though. I think you might get 20,000 or more from them if you can get in that is. |
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nomad soul
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| enterthedragon wrote: |
| I don't think there are any jobs in SA for 20,000 SAR plus free accommodation. |
The OP stated 20K SAR all inclusive (i.e., costs for flights and housing are included).
| and enterthedragon wrote: |
| I work at an intl school and even intl schools in SA only pay around 15-23k. And 23k is the top of the scale so I believe (for a standard teacher). |
For clarification, per the China forum, you're presently working in China. Plus, it's doubtful expats are paid 15-23K SAR a month to teach Saudis and other nationals in international schools. If so, you might state which schools and the requisite qualifications. |
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enterthedragon
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I can't remember now which thread I saw it on but it was on the TES community threads and teaching overseas. I checked Saudi Aramco Schools on the International Schools Review and the most recent salary range quoted there is from $75000 up to $200,000 per annum. I can well believe that some teachers working for this oil magnet are on such figures. I think that $75000 for a lot of intl schools in Saudi would be reasonable to expect though. 200 is just because it is Saudi Aramco I suspect. I can not say for sure that the salaries I quoted are true but that is the figure currently on ISR for Saudi Aramco Schools. Maybe most teachers are on the lower figure IDK. I don't work there so I only can say what I have heard and seen (ie the TES overseas teachers threads and this ISR). As for qualifications, you need to be a qualified school teacher from the UK/USA/AUS/NZ/SA in a particular school subject for 11-18 year olds or a primary specialist.
Why? How much do you think international schools pay their teachers in the Magic Kingdom then? |
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nomad soul
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| enterthedragon wrote: |
I can't remember now which thread I saw it on but it was on the TES community threads and teaching overseas. I checked Saudi Aramco Schools on the International Schools Review and the most recent salary range quoted there is from $75000 up to $200,000 per annum. I can well believe that some teachers working for this oil magnet are on such figures. I think that $75000 for a lot of intl schools in Saudi would be reasonable to expect though... As for qualifications, you need to be a qualified school teacher from the UK/USA/AUS/NZ/SA in a particular school subject for 11-18 year olds or a primary specialist.
Why? How much do you think international schools pay their teachers in the Magic Kingdom then? |
It seems you're lumping the Aramco school system together with all international schools in KSA. Saudi Aramco Expatriate Schools (SAES) are specifically for the children of Saudi Aramco expat employees and not Saudi nationals. The curriculum is American; a Canadian or US teaching license is required. See SAES's website for more info if you're interested in those positions.
The majority of KSA opportunities for expat EFL teachers/trainers are for post-secondary teaching situations and not k12 international schools. You'll have to ask about the pay ranges for private/international schools on those other teacher sites. |
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