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University offer in Zhengzhou, no housing/flight allowance?

 
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John2018



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:43 pm    Post subject: University offer in Zhengzhou, no housing/flight allowance? Reply with quote

I'm considering an offer at a public university in Zhengzhou.

14k/month for max 16 teaching hours/week, 4 weeks paid for spring festival, but no other benefits/bonuses, no housing allowance and no flight reimbursement.
I find the lack of flight reimbursement odd... but according to my calculations it should work out to roughly 11k/month in my account if I deduct accommodation and flight from the 14k.

Sounds like an okay offer to me. (what do you guys think?)

I have a few concerns, one is the air quality in Zhengzhou, another is that I have not been able to get contact info for any current or former teachers.

The offer is through a Western agent who has been a pleasure to deal with so far, and I have not done any negotiating yet.

Thoughts?
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The bear



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: University offer in Zhengzhou, no housing/flight allowan Reply with quote

John2018 wrote:
I'm considering an offer at a public university in Zhengzhou.

14k/month for max 16 teaching hours/week, 4 weeks paid for spring festival, but no other benefits/bonuses, no housing allowance and no flight reimbursement.
I find the lack of flight reimbursement odd... but according to my calculations it should work out to roughly 11k/month in my account if I deduct accommodation and flight from the 14k.

Sounds like an okay offer to me. (what do you guys think?)

I have a few concerns, one is the air quality in Zhengzhou, another is that I have not been able to get contact info for any current or former teachers.

The offer is through a Western agent who has been a pleasure to deal with so far, and I have not done any negotiating yet.

Thoughts?



The package is what's important. So wile the lack of accommodation and airfare is not the norm, the salary is well above the average Chinese university (that's if it's an 'average' university job - oral English, low stress, etc).

However, your calculations seem a bit off. Depending on where you are in Zhengzhou, I'm guessing rent will be anywhere between 2,000-4,000 a month for an apartment with utilities. Of course you could easily spend more and get a nicer place, depends what you're comfortable with. So that brings the salary down to around 10,000-12,000 a month.

Depending where you're from in the world, return tickets home/China will probably cost anywhere from 6,000-10,000 RMB. So over the course of a 10 month contract that brings the salary down to around 9,000 to 11,500 ish.

Then there's tax to be taken off that - housing allowance and flight reimbursements are tax free as a rule. Salary is not. On that salary you'll be paying around 1,000 a month in tax. So 8,000 to 10,500ish.

Not being able to contact current foreign teachers is a red flag. Also not dealing with the university directly can cause issues. Who is your employment with? An agency or the university? You'll have to check the contract very carefully.

So, from my perspective it's not a bad deal for an average university job IF it's a genuine offer.
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nimadecaomei



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here in Jiangsu housing allowance and flight are both taxable unless you have the tax receipt (meaning tax was paid somewhere). For housing, this means the landlord has to be willing to pay tax on the rent money (they usually do not want to) or an agent needs to sort it out for you (for a cost, but less than what would be taxed). For flight, this means the ticket receipts (so if you don't go anywhere you need to get receipts from somewhere else).
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John2018



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:18 pm    Post subject: Re: University offer in Zhengzhou, no housing/flight allowan Reply with quote

The bear wrote:

So, from my perspective it's not a bad deal for an average university job IF it's a genuine offer.


Thanks for the response.

I should have clarified that it's 14k after tax, and yes it's an "average" university job (oral English, low stress etc.)

I was told by the agent that he will be able to help me find an apartment reasonably close to campus for 2,000 - 2,500.
I will need to do more research.

I'm putting my round trip airfare at roughly 10000 rmb

I would be employed by the university directly.

The agent seems trustworthy, he works primarily for a company in Zhengzhou that runs a couple English programs in public schools.
I believe that the university in question had been looking for new agents and he just recently picked up some recruiting work with them "on the side", this would explain why he doesn't have teacher contact info.

I have not dealt with anyone at the university yet, I will of course want to ask them for teacher contact info before I sign anything.

It seems like a decent offer to me.
All things considered it's about on par with a couple of the other offers that I've received, but I'm glad to get some opinions from the forum due to the odd structure (no flight etc.)
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Modernist



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest problem with it is being in Henan, in my opinion. Aside from pollution, which is quite atrocious, Zhengzhou is a dull, ugly, sprawling mess of a city with little to nothing of interest. Outside Zhengzhou, the best you can say about Henan is that the people are friendly (because they are discriminated against by all other Chinese, so it's pretty much their only choice), it's cheap (because it has to be, no one wants to live there) and it's pretty difficult to get fired from a job there no matter what you do (again, they are so desperate for teachers that this is a necessity).

The 'higher' pay is likely due to the Henan penalty. They can't get teachers, so this is a vaguely creative way to grab attention from people like you, without the school necessarily having to pay much more in total. The question is, why do you want to work in one of the worst parts of China for what is, in the end, a fairly mediocre total offer? Not that it's awful, I agree that it's basically average.

But for average, why not go to a better province than Henan? There's quite a lot of better places. All the coastal provinces are better, for example. If you will tolerate the air in Henan, just get a job around Beijing and make more money and have better culture/food/shopping/transportation/etc. Shandong has better air as well, although it's still north. The three Dongbei provinces are all nicer than Henan. Basically, everywhere is better than Henan.
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John2018



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Modernist wrote:
The biggest problem with it is being in Henan, in my opinion.


Thanks for your input, it's certainly something that I will consider.
When I initially got the offer my basic google research also told me that Zhengzhou is not the nicest place to live.

One of the other offers that I'm considering is in Hulunbuir... the "slightly better than average offer because nobody wants to teach here" trick seems to work on me.

I keep thinking that I won't be bothered by that kind of adversity, and in the back of my mind maybe I sort of welcome it... but I would not be surprised if I later came to regret this attitude once I were actually living in one of these places for a year
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