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[rogerwilco]

A continuing stagnation of salaries and/or demand for native English speakers ?

http://news.abs-cbn.com/business/04/13/18/duterte-back-in-ph-with-9-billion-china-deals

MANILA - President Rodrigo Duterte arrived in Davao City Friday dawn following his four-day visit in China and Hong Kong.

In his speech, the president said he came back with $9 billion worth of investment pledges from China.

The pledges, made by Chinese firms involved in land reclamation, energy, agriculture, tourism, pharmaceuticals, and construction, could generate more than 10,000 jobs for Filipinos.

Also signed was a memorandum of understanding on the employment of Filipino teachers of the English language in China.

The Chinese government, Duterte said, also provided 500 million renminbi (about P4.1 billion) in economic assistance to the Philippines.

[nimadecaomei]

The most it could mean, and unlikely, is that they could be recognized as an English speaking country. It would be interesting how that would play out. I doubt that the mutual understanding there means anything. Most likely, be nice to illegal people working as English teachers.

[Non Sequitur]

Hasn't Ireland just been deleted from list of accepted countries? Philippines in - Ireland out.

[Kalkstein]

[Non Sequitur]

Whoops.
It's Thailand that has excluded Irish from its list of native speakers.
The main point is though that Filipinos may be IN.
I've taught alongside several Filipinos and all had excellent English.
If this 'breakthrough' is at the expense of Philippines sovereignty in the offshore islands, then it's a big price.

[Blistering Zanazilz]

Well in geostrategic terms the philippines is holding a pair of 2s while China's holding a full house. Everyone knows what that means.

[getbehindthemule]

[astrotrain]

I have only taught AP Economics in the PRC but I continue to see too many non natives employed teaching English while supposed new legislation should have forbidden such.

The Chinese mainlanders just don't know the difference, very ignorant, relying on superficial appearances and in this particular case geo-politics in their hiring processes.

Hiring native speakers is not about people that just speak, read/write the language on a daily basis but the cultural aspects of the language, nuances that the native speaker can teach and express.

I am coming from a background of teaching Econ to students that wish to study abroad in a Western Uni, UK, U.S., Canada, OZ etc. Having native speakers that can provide background knowledge about the culture in a Western Uni setting, local customs, niches of the language is far more enriching to students than anything a Phillipino, African, Russian or Brazilian bloke could ever divulge or pretend to . . .

My former school in Nanning, all of the FT contingent were native speakers, 3 Americans, me the Canuck and a Brit. All of us got along great and could easily communicate together fluidly becus we more or less came from the same culture and the students readly got much more North American cultural knowledge when we were there than these past couple of years after we all left. Now they are hiring Eastern Europeans, Indians and the students have expressed such consternations and the school is failing, reduction in new enrollment. hmm . .

Being cheap and ignorant in this industry is far too common.

[astrotrain]

[getbehindthemule]

[jimpellow]

I think this increase is stemming from the increasingly known newer loophole that schools can employ non-native speakers, and those who come from a country not on the approve list, albeit native speakers from the approved list are still "preferable".

So to recap:

Four years ago China initiated a series of reforms aimed at eliminating non-qualified and non-native speaking ESL teachers and attracting and retaining an increased number of qualified native speaking ones. After four years of constantly evolving and convoluted regulations and requirements, most of which have resulted in China being a much less attractive location for qualified ESL teachers, they have resorted to legalizing the non-qualified teachers to increasingly make up for the increasing shortage of qualified ones. This of course will only exacerbate the situation more in the future as native speaking qualified teachers often find themselves in competition with their lesser paid and easier to enslave counterparts, and decide to ply their profession elsewhere.

[Non Sequitur]

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-citizens-not-recognised-as-native-english-speakers-in-thailand-575732-Aug2012/

[Mr. Kalgukshi]

Please stay on topic. This thread is about China, Philippines and Filipinos.

Future derailing/ off-topic postings will result in sanctions.

[theoriginalprankster]

[Curtinca]

Would a native speaker say "make come across"? Just askin'