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aswang



Joined: 04 Aug 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:08 am    Post subject: How about us old farts?? Reply with quote

What are the job prospects of teachers with 10years+ experience teaching in USA public schools when it comes to locating a teaching position in Taiwan? I'm a "refugee" from the LAUSD and will be basing myself at my home in the Philippines and plan on teaching in Taiwan or Korea. I taught everything from elementary to special ed in Los Angeles at a number of different schools and am very healthy and active and want to work. I'm in good shape physically--I can still swim non-stop for 2 hours in the P.I. and I look 35 instead of my actual age of 50. I know Asian schools can be very age prejudiced, I taught in Japan in 1990 and saw lots of it. What's the story in Taiwan, more of the same?? --- I am caucasian-- pointing this out because it DOES matter in the ESL world, as unpleasant as it is.......Any helpful insights from anyone out there teaching in Taiwan and other parts of Asia? Especially "old farts" like myself?? Thanks in advance!! Very Happy
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MTurton



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have a masters? You can teach at a university. University language centers and continuing ed centers are also a good choice, as are the community college systems, since they all involve adults. You can also teach English in a high school here. I wouldn't do the cram school thing, too draining.

There is age discrimination, but experience is a plus. Have you thought about the international and private schools here? Certified teachers are in demand.
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aswang



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No masters, never really needed it, just Calif state teaching credentials of various types--elementary, special ed, single subject........NOW I regret not finishing the masters related programs.............As a side note-- I've been thinking of setting up a location for ESL teachers once I get squared away in the P.I. so burned out English teachers can come on down and kick back on the beach where I base myself in the Philippines. God knows everyone can use a relaxing break on a nice tropical beach after endless hours in ANY classroom..... The P.I. beaches are nice out in the provinces and the water is fantastic.....hope to make that happen in the not-too-distant future.......might be able to turn it into a PHYSICAL Dave's-type ESL cafe on the beach.........sound good???
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WorkingVaca



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:50 am    Post subject: You'll be fine Reply with quote

You're qualifications are above-average compared to most ESL teachers in Asia. However, you will have about the same prospects. Don't expect higher pay or higher positions based on your experience. We're all treated pretty much the same. As for being older, I don't believe this is a problem. I know several older men teaching everything from adults to elementary to kindy kids. I think you'll have no problem finding a job.
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aswang



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info guys, every bit helps me plan. I don't really expect anything special, just a decent position so I can use what I've learned over time. Public school teaching in the states has just gotten more and more out of control, especially in a district like LAUSD. If I recall correctly, LAUSD had something like 800 schools, 20,000+ teachers and a total of 70,000 employees, think they lost that "personal touch" ??? I taught full time at several middle schools in East L.A. and it was, what can I say?-- a "challenge". But, like any teaching job anywhere, it's the quality and attitude of the management that makes or breaks a school. It really made all the difference in the world on who was in command and how staff morale went.. The same story holds true for all these "jukus" and "hogwans" and "bushibans" too. It all comes down to who's running the show and what their motives/agenda is.................
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MTurton
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University language centers and continuing ed centers are also a good choice, as are the community college systems, since they all involve adults.

Got any info on all these places? Never see them advertise except part time.
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MTurton



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

myesl wrote:
MTurton
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University language centers and continuing ed centers are also a good choice, as are the community college systems, since they all involve adults.

Got any info on all these places? Never see them advertise except part time.


They don't much, because they can source teachers from the pool at the college they are connected to.

The system works like this. At one place I have worked, a large national university in Kaohsiung, they have a language center affiliated with the university, but not actually an administrative part of it. Thus, it isn't under MOE regs -- it is pure cash cow. The chair of the lit department also directs the center. Their teachers are all outsiders whom they found by word-of-mouth; they don't have many hours. The only way you can get a job is to walk into the center in person and apply, that's best. Pay is good -- I rake in $1000-1200 per hour, depending on class size. I have made as much as $1600 an hour in this kind of job. Classes run from either 7-9:30 or 7-10. So 15 hours a week yields 60K. I have often though about doing it full time in addition to my full timeuniversity position, but I am simply too old to keep putting out that kind of energy night after night. Besides, I want to see my kids now and then!

The "community college" is not a building but an organizational framework. Typically it is run under contract by the continuing ed center of a local U. The actual classrooms are located in public buildings -- schools, community centers, etc -- around the city. The Cont Ed center draws up a schedule and sends you around the city to work in the classrooms. Again, you need to find the Cont Ed center and then go apply there in person, preferably with an inside recommendation. The standards are very low and the pay is low too, but it is adults, so opportunities for private tutoring and romance are good.

Michael
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