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yoanna



Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:53 pm    Post subject: Do I have citizenship? Reply with quote

My bf lives in Austria, where my Grandfather, on my mother's side, was born and lived before coming to Canada. Does this mean I have citizenship status or ANYTHING over there at all? Any feedback would be appreciated, thanks all...
warm regards, Wink
Yoanna

p.s... I am going to Austria to teach in September....[/quote]
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comenius



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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Location: San Francisco, California, USA

PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to doubt it. Most citizenship is usually granted only if (1) you were born in a country or (2) you were born to two citizens of that country. That's how it is in the U.S. at least. The situation in Australia might be different, but I would be surprised if it were significantly so. Most likely having a grandfather who was a citizen of Australia won't be of much help.

Of course if you're really serious you could always ask an immigration attorney that works in Australia, but that might cost some money. Smile
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Communist Smurf



Joined: 24 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

comenius wrote:
I tend to doubt it. Most citizenship is usually granted only if (1) you were born in a country or (2) you were born to two citizens of that country. That's how it is in the U.S. at least. The situation in Australia might be different, but I would be surprised if it were significantly so. Most likely having a grandfather who was a citizen of Australia won't be of much help.

Of course if you're really serious you could always ask an immigration attorney that works in Australia, but that might cost some money. Smile


Wow, I didn't know an immigration attorney in Australia could assist with citizenship for Austria.

CS
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This reminds me of that scene in Dumb and Dumber where Jim Carrey asks the girl where she's from, and when she tell him she's from Austria he says, "G'day mate!"

I can't comment on Austrian citizenship processes, but I can tell you about getting my German citizenship. The process involved my father (a Canadian) proving that his parents were both German citizens at the time of his birth (he was born in Canada after my grandfather was released as a German POW). Once he had all the documentation he was able to apply for German citizenship, and once he had it I was able to apply. So you could end up asking your parents to apply for Austrian citizenship so that you can get it too.

THAT IS ONLY THE GERMAN SYSTEM. I don't know about the Austrian one!
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comenius



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Austria... Australia... It's all the same between friends, right? Smile

Gotta get new glasses...!
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zaneth



Joined: 31 Mar 2004
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Location: Between Russia and Germany

PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a fancy piece of paper saying that my daughter is a US citizen. Her mother isn't. And she wasn't born in America. One parent is sufficient. Now my daughter, if she doesn't actually end up living in America, won't be able to transfer citizenship to her children.
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Chris_Crossley



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:21 pm    Post subject: Which passport does she use? Reply with quote

My little daughter is a British citizen, even though, as far as the Chinese are concerned, she is a Chinese citizen. However, China does not officially recognise dual nationality of any kind.

She was born in China but, because she has a married father who was born a British citizen in the UK itself, the British government states that she is a British citizen. Anybody unsure about this can see her passport where she is shown as a BRITISH CITIZEN.

Her mother, though, is Chinese, and, according to Home Office rules, she can only become a British citizen once she enters the UK (on a multiple entry visa, which she has already) and remains my wife for at least three out of the next five years actually living in the UK.

However, there is an interesting twist here. The British Embassy in Beijing told me that my daughter, because she was born in China, will need a CHINESE passport in order to leave China for the first time and a UK visa to enter the UK for the first time (or at least to show the Chinese authorities that she does have a visa to enter the UK). If and when she returns to China, THEN she can use her British/EU passport, enter China using the appropriate Chinese visa and be registered as a foreigner (though, as far as my thinking goes, she might as well use her Chinese passport to return, because there would be no expense involved outside China or registration as a foreigner inside China).

Hence, the British Embassy would have to issue my daughter with a visa in a Chinese passport (which she hasn't got yet) to enter the UK, even though she has a British passport already.

Sounds complicated? I suppose it is!
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Magoo



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris: go to China on a Chinese passport, return on a UK one(or vice versa), but get the Chinese passport stamped at immigration. Then, hopefully, noone is any the wiser (my ex was in the same situation).
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Chris_Crossley



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 8:55 am    Post subject: Going to China on a PRC passport Reply with quote

Magoo wrote:
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Chris: go to China on a Chinese passport, return on a UK one (or vice versa), but get the Chinese passport stamped at immigration. Then, hopefully, noone is any the wiser (my ex was in the same situation).


What on earth should I want with a Chinese passport?

Being married to a PRC citizen makes me no more of a "PRC citizen" than my wife is a British citizen for being married to me (unless she has spent 3 out of 5 years with me in the UK and our marriage "is still subsisting", to put it in the official UK government parlance). In other words, I'm not entitled to a Chinese passport just because I'm married to a Chinese, unless, of course, (a) I have been here for a certain period of time that allows me to claim Chinese citizenship and (b) I want to have Chinese citizenship.

Besides which, as of August 20, 2004, I believe that foreigners who (a) have been married to a Chinese citizen for a certain qualifying period (five years, is it?) and (b) have been in China for at least 9 out of 12 months in every calendar year during this period will be entitled to a "Permanent" Alien Resident Permit which lasts 10 years - rather like in HK, I'm told. (See thread entitled "Permanent Residency at last" and you will see a URL link in one of my messages to a "China Daily" report on the subject.)

I can tell you that I have no intention whatsoever of claiming Chinese citizenship because I see no advantage in having it. Considering that all I need to do is spend about 30 GBP on a single-entry tourist visa in order to be admitted to the PRC, why make all the fuss about a Chinese passport?
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