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Cavernus
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
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Location: Australia
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 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:29 pm Post subject: Status of Sponsored Work Visa |
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Hi guys,
I have read in an journal entry back in 2000 that the sponsored work visa does not bind you to the sponsoring company. Thus, once obtained it's quite easy to move to another job (within the same specified visa category)... is that still true to date?
1) Has the Jap immigration law change since that entry was posted?
2) Anyone with more recent experience in a smilar sorta circumstance?
I am contemplating applying to one of th eikawa giants to use them for the ease of visa entry... eg. NOVA, GEOS
3) How easy is it to break the contract once arrived? Any penalties associated in breaking the contract?
Thanks!
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Posts: 4672
Location: Western Japan
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Status of Sponsored Work Visa |
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| Cavernus wrote: |
I am contemplating applying to one of th eikawa giants to use them for the ease of visa entry... eg. NOVA, GEOS
3) How easy is it to break the contract once arrived? Any penalties associated in breaking the contract?
Thanks!
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Pretty easy- not recommended but its down all the time. You wont be the first or the last. NOVA has a turn over rate (churn rate) of 70% in one year. Dont expect them to miss you when you hand in your notice.
Likely scenarios:
1. you will have to move out of any company sponsored accomodation
2.you may lose some of your key money/deposit depending on co. You may also have paid agents fees and commissions as well.
3.you will lose any any end of year bonus or airfare re-imbursement for quitting early.
4. Schools can fine you but only up to 10% of your monthly salary or 1/2 a days pay. If you give one months notice you should be OK though.
Bit of advice - find a new employer before you hand in your notice, it may not be a s easy to find a full time job as you think Just remember you are a green newbiw with a couple of months at NOVA, which doesnt amount to a hill of beans here in terms of work experience.
Glenski will probably tell you that quitting early will make it worse for the person following you. True, but the other side of the coin is companies like NOVA survive on fresh new warm bodies every six months to fill a seat. They dont expect you to stay forever, and it will eb sooner ratehr than later that you will quit on them. It is an annoyance to the company, and really, the reputation and status of industry cant get any worse than it already is, where employers see foreigners as overeducated backpackers and long term tourists on working holiday visas, drifting through Narita for a one year jaunt in Japan or quitting contracts mid-term.
Its a case of mutually-convenient back-scratching. They get a cheap productive genki foreigner for 6-8 months and you get to see the culture and party at Gaspanic, meet the women while you still can. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski will probably tell you that quitting early will make it worse for the person following you. True, but the other side of the coin is companies like NOVA survive on fresh new warm bodies every six months to fill a seat. |
Perhaps true, but I am not concerned with whether employers have a good time of it or not. As you mentioned, Paul, I would rather not see people popping into the country KNOWING that they will try to get "something better". You yourself have recently admitted that basically there IS NOTHING BETTER at the eikaiwa level. They all pretty much pay the same salary for pretty much the same benefits and provide pretty much the same type of teaching schedule and format.
As I have stated on numerous occasions, people who come here to intentionally quit the job that sponsored them ASAP really do the whole business a disservice, and put all of us foreigners in a bad light, whether they are here for six months or a longer haul.
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| really, the reputation and status of industry cant get any worse than it already is, |
Again, Paul, I am quite surprised at your comment. You know as well as I that the industry standards have been steadily decreasing. This has been quite apparent from at least two standpoints:
1. The fact that "teachers" from dispatch companies are getting more and more jobs in place of more qualified ones,
2. Salary offerings have actually fallen below the 250,000 yen/month mark which has been (sadly) constant for over a decade. When you see places offering the same FT work that others do (and have done for ages) but get greenhorns and/or desperate teachers to take it at 180,000 yen/month, that is a disgrace.
How can it get worse? Well, how about everyone offering less than 250,000? How about most or all places (like your university) accepting only dispatch teachers? How about some eikaiwa genius deciding to offer only a 6 month visa because he knows that is all the time someone will stay, and then this becoming the norm? How about everybody not contributing to health insurance co-payments like some do now just because they make use of the loophole? |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan
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Cavernus, I hope you are taking notes, we are going to test you on this next week.
Glenski, for a moment there you actually revealed signs of a humorous side to you. |
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