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PAULH
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 Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:46 am Post subject: Re: TEACHING KIDS? NOT MY THING |
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| Adam wrote: |
250,000 seems like the standard gig for a fresh faced uni grad - but that's all there seems to be on the net. What about a higher salary for an experienced teacher?
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250,000 yen is what immigration asks a school to pay its teachers so as to sponsor a full time work visa. Many schools are paying less than this though as this figure is a guideline, not a legal requirement. In language schools you wont see much higher than 270,000 a month, unless you work at a high school. Teachers are not paid based on experience and qualifications unfortunately, at the big language schools anyway.
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Do Japanese firms sponsor their teacher's wives - a wife that wouldn't be working for the company? Or can the teacher do that himself, once legally employed?
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The employer sponsors only one visa- yours. If you have a work visa your wife can get a dependent visa which allows her to work part time if she seeks permission from immigration. No need for employer to 'sponsor' your non-working wife.
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Hondo 2.0
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Try JET. |
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guest of Japan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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It's not worth your time. Your qualifications are wonderful, but have little meaning here. Not only would you find the salary and benefits of a conversation school unfulfilling, but also you are likely to have very little job satisfaction.
As PaulH said a high school job will pay more, and also have more vacation time, but you will not be teaching many students who have any desire to learn English.
An idea would be to come here on a sponsored visa and later collect corporate clients. They are not so easy to get, but your resume would probably be up to the task.
It is very unlikely that you could find a position in a university. |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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I don't recommend calling them "nippers".
Conversation schools are the norm here. Experience is not really important in their eyes because they want the cheapest teacher possible. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Gordon wrote: |
I don't recommend calling them "nippers".
Conversation schools are the norm here. Experience is not really important in their eyes because they want the cheapest teacher possible. |
If my memory serves me correctly, children are called 'ankle nippers' or ankle biters in the UK but this could be construed as a rather discriminatory word in Japan. |
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canuck
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:40 pm Post subject: Horrible thread title..... |
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| Ankle biters is a better term. Horrible thread title, yet the negative intent doesn't seem to be there. That's where the edit button should be used... |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Have done some minor surgery.
Hope everyones happy now. |
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PAULH
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:10 am Post subject: |
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I might also add that if you bringing you non-working South-East Asian wife you will have a hard time supporting two people (or is there a baby as well?) on what a language school will pay you. Unlikely that your wife will be able to find work if she is from a South east Asian country as schools here only hire native speakers.
Company classes are possible but hard to get without connections. A bit out of my area so i cant comment.
Language schools pay a standard 250,000 yen a month (if you are lucky) for a 40 hour week.
University jobs require a Masters degree in Linguistics or TESL and pay is from 350-400,000 yen a month depending on the number of classes you teach. Can live well on that but you dont have a Masters degree and CELTA is pretty much useless for getting those jobs. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| We are, after all, EFL teachers and should have a worldwide understanding of our native tongue. This is what distiguishes us from Native speakers - Surely we are the last people who should get the wrong end of the stick and react negatively?Especially with other Native speaking EFL teachers - who just happen to live at either ends of the pond. |
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I dont want to get into a p-ssing contest again but what you used may be considered native English for a person who comes from England. In the same token it is a very localised vernacular, an idiomatic usage that may be Greek to a person who doesnt use that type of expression. I have heard people from Maine US and from Kentucky who use strange expressions. You can not always expect a person from Australia, New Zealand, much less a non-native speaker to always understand what you mean. If you have followed the thread with me and Lovechild there is a fundamental difference of understanding of the word 'lover' in English.
I could show you many idiomatic, colloquial expressions where i come from (New Zealand) such as "shake your dags", "dunny", "sheila" which are perfectly intelligible where I come from but be Greek to an American. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Adam wrote: |
Language schools pay a standard 250,000 yen a month (if you are lucky) for a 40 hour week.
Phew, that's alot of hours.
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teaching at NOVA you will work 6 or 7 50-minute classes a day 5 days a week. actual teaching & class time is 26 hours a week but 40 hours in the office plus meal breaks. Works out at about US $14 an hour or British 7-8 pounds STG per hour for a full time job. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Adam wrote: |
| We are, after all, EFL teachers and should have a worldwide understanding of our native tongue. This is what distiguishes us from Native speakers - Surely we are the last people who should get the wrong end of the stick and react negatively?Especially with other Native speaking EFL teachers - who just happen to live at either ends of the pond. |
I am a native speaker of new Zealand English, not Canadian English, American English or South Yorkshire.
I can only tell people what we say in my own country or what is 'standard' or what an American might say, but i dont presume to be a native speaker of some other dialect or local version of English. From our side, what you referred to as children in the UK before is the same as saying c_____ in the Thai restaurant. but anyways lets put that behind us and learn from it. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Adam wrote: |
Yes lets, I don't want to get into a pis$ing contest either - You'd only get defensive in the dunne - hell, perhaps we'll get a sheila to rattle our dags and be the final judge.
Anyways, this has all been centred around the fact that I refered to kiddies as 'Nippers' and you sent me an email accussing me of being a racist. It really is as simple as that. There's the lesson Bud. ASK first before the accussations flow.
The joys of EFL ey.
Being the slighted party, I wanted the last word me old cobber.Cause you brassed me off with your accusations.
Hooray
PS In the same token it is a very localised vernacular, an idiomatic usage that may be Greek to a person who doesnt use that type of expression - Not so, check your dagtionary |
Nippers is in my dagtionary- it also means hedge trimmers and the large talons on crabs but Im sure we are not talking Japan Sea crabs here.
It also said in parentheses that it was British English so in that sense it is idiomatic and colloquial and not likely to be used by a guy from Alberta.
Lets call it a draw. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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P.S. I have just been advised that Jobs Wanted ads or postings on this forum seeking work as are blatant job offers which are a no-no as well.
(I have posted a few myself for the sake of example, not because I have a job to offer anybody) |
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guest of Japan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| For what it's worth, I'm an American and wasn't thrown in the least by the word nippers. I think people jumped to conclusions on intent simply based on expectations due to it being written in the Japan forum. Had that expression been used in any other forum and there would have been no debate. Expectations play a large rule in comprehension and interpretation. |
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