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Tamara

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 108
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:25 pm Post subject: TESL/TEFL w/o a Degree in Education |
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I've been invited to give a short, informative presentation to students at Wake Forest University, Winston Salem, NC. The forum topic is teaching without a degree in education, and for my portion, I'm to discuss teaching ESL. The woman in charge of setting it all up told me she was especially interested in the research I've done to be certified to teach ESL abroad.
Well, that all sounds very auspicious. However, all I've done is look into the topic myself. I've been hanging around here in an effort to gain more information for my own plans of eventually teaching overseas.
So now I'm asking for help. I want to reference websites so the audience members can begin their own research efforts. I will include URL's to TESOL and Dave's, but I know there are probably other great resources some of you would recommend to those considering the field.
Thank you in advance for your help!
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:22 am Post subject: Re: TESL/TEFL w/o a Degree in Education |
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Tamara wrote: |
The woman in charge of setting it all up told me she was especially interested in the research I've done to be certified to teach ESL abroad.
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You could reference a tonne of the certificates available online or over a short period or a longer one.
The CELTA doesn't require a B.Ed. (look up the CELTA myths # 1~infinity threads in the Teacher training section of this site).
There are tonnes of 40-100hour certificates available, like Global, International, Teach and Travel, Oxford etc. They require only that you can pay for them. Most will have web sites so you google them. It might be hard to get real information about what they actually teach, though because in forty hours they can only just barely introduce different areas. (but maybe you could go to an office, and as to see some of the materials covered, or even take one if you have time before your presentation, although that would be very, very expensive research)
In Ontario, Canada there are university year-long training programmes for teaching ESL especially in Canada (in Toronto, there's the University of Toronto, Carleton University, Humber College, Algonquin College, maybe some others), but some are also for abroad. York University in Toronto, Canada is one example. I think there's is a 1.5 year programme. You can google them.
These are sites for certification in Ontario and Canada (the Canada site has links to other provinces in Canada). http://www.teslontario.ca/new/cert/cert_ontcert.htm
http://www.tesl.ca/
You don't need a B.Ed to take the programmes (but then, in Ontario, most are a year long and so are B.Ed programmes).
A lot of Canadian Private language schools have their own training programmes for teaching ESL. Here's the association of private language schools site:
http://www.capls.com/english/default.asp
You can search for schools there from each province and look to see if they have training programmes and what they have to say about them. |
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Tamara

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 108
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for your help.
An additional question: Is it true that most employers will look for a certificate with at least 120 hours, externally monitored? Anything else? What are the basic criteria for a non-brand certificate to be accepted? I'm really just trying to confirm my assumptions based on time spent lurking here. I'm quite sure there will be exceptions to any basic criterion cited anywhere.
Thanks in advance! |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Tamara wrote: |
Thank you for your help.
An additional question: Is it true that most employers will look for a certificate with at least 120 hours, externally monitored? Anything else? What are the basic criteria for a non-brand certificate to be accepted? I'm really just trying to confirm my assumptions based on time spent lurking here. I'm quite sure there will be exceptions to any basic criterion cited anywhere.
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Yes the picky (read: good) schools will want a TEFL that is at least 120 hours, externally monitored. Will most employers require it? No, because most schools are not that good or education is not important. Often a warm body and cute face are all that is needed in this business.
Why wouldn't you want a well known TEFL like Trinity or CELTA? If you want a "good" job, than you will probably have to shell out the money. |
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merlin

Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 582 Location: Somewhere between Camelot and NeverNeverLand
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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I feel you're trying to dig in an area many are reluctant to go.
Most websites that can be cited in an academic paper/presentation will not discuss the validity of the role unqualified teachers play in teaching English. Of course any respectale person would say "get qualified first"
The websites that do deal with advice for unqualified teachers and how to teach abroad without qualifications might well get you expelled if given in an academic environment.
you can start here:
http://esl24.com
visit dave's links, of course
and if you want to get expelled there's always
http://englishteacherx.com (offensive content) |
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Tamara

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 108
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Merlin,
Thank you for your concern and the links provided.
The discussion is about teaching without a degree in education. However, what I want to discuss is how to become qualified to teach or find a teaching position with a bachelor's degree in something other than education. I don't think this means "unqualified."
Given the quality of education associated with Wake Forest University, I think the workshop participants will appreciate the information on the CELTA, Trinity Cert, and the SIT Cert. However, I'd like to point them to the underlying aspects of such programs that are duplicated in other lesser known certifications. My goal here is to expose them to a starting place if they find they are interested in teaching overseas. I think each person probably has to do her own research and decide which path is best for herself.
Thanks again! |
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