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A.K.A.T.D.N.
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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 Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:14 am Post subject: In Regards to South Africans Needing Practical Info. . . |
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Wombat's got the cramps, especially after sitting in that dark hole back in Australia.
A 60 day visa is something I don't know about, but which a lot of schools want you to get so they can get the paper work done in time. I presumed the poster here wanted to land a job because someone had mentioned to them they needed a 60 day visa, with NT 100,000(each,) in their bank accounts, in order to suck them in. Immigration law did not stipulate this to me when I came here. It costs a meager US 100.00 dollars to get "a visitor's visa." Why, I presume, would someone say NT 100,000 unless they were in on some scam to deprive them of this money by having to give out their bank accounts to prove such money existed? What, are you going to walk into the South African Consulate in HK, or the HK consulate in HK, hand them a stub and say "I've got NT 100,000 written on this here stub bub, let me have a day's worth of grub?" But who the hell would they get "a letter of invitation from. . ." anyway other than an employer? Think about what you post, Wombat, and the messages you think are your own right to refute.
And how the hell could they "borrow the money, deposit it into their accounts. . .then give the money back and just present the letter" without the other party confirming , or usurping, this enormous, monetary transaction a few days later, unless the borrower has to place such an enormous amount of Chinese money on the table without governmental consent as to "no more than US 10,000 dollars" can cross each country's boarder(cash) and unless this amount really doesn't exist anyway, like the banks, and government here, would surely check twice?
As for checking your luggage in at the airport. . .Why the hell not just have an ongoing flight to Taiwan, a fact which you need anyway to get a 60 day visa?
Yet you say "Uhmm . .duhh" to my comments when she asked for the cheapest places to stay in HK and you didn't hear about them but lambasted me because I said "Make sure you don't get taken for a ride." You will not find it cheap there if you don't bargain without NT 100,000 in your pocket to prove. |
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wombat
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: In Regards to South Africans Needing Practical Info. . . |
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| A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote: |
| I presumed the poster here wanted to land a job because someone had mentioned to them they needed a 60 day visa, with NT 100,000(each,) in their bank accounts, in order to suck them in. Immigration law did not stipulate this to me when I came here. |
It is my understanding that the requirement of this amount of money applies to those applying for a Visitors Visa for study purposes. You have to show that you have money in your bank account to support yourself while you are studying here, as you are not allowed to work for your initial time here. If a school has suggested that an applicant needs to meet this requirement then they most likely:
a) Don't know what they are talking about.
b) Are unable to secure a work permit/resident visa/ARC for the teacher and therefore want to prepare them for the Visitor Visa for study purposes route.
Either way I would give that school a miss.
NB: I am unsure as to whether South African's may be required to meet these financial requirements for a Vistors Visa for tourism purposes.
| A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote: |
| And how the hell could they "borrow the money, deposit it into their accounts. . .then give the money back and just present the letter" without the other party confirming , or usurping, this enormous, monetary transaction a few days later, unless the borrower has to place such an enormous amount of Chinese money on the table without governmental consent as to "no more than US 10,000 dollars" can cross each country's boarder(cash) and unless this amount really doesn't exist anyway, like the banks, and government here, would surely check twice? |
Of course you can empty the bank account once you have submitted the visa application including a copy of your bank account showing that you have the money. This is a mere technicality in the process and nobody is actually going to check if the money is still there. In fact by having the money in your account (whether it is yours or you borrowed it) you have satisifed the criteria. Afterall, you have proven that you can get the funds in your account if you need the money, and this is really what 'they' want to know.
| A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote: |
| It costs a meager US 100.00 dollars to get "a visitor's visa." Why, I presume, would someone say NT 100,000 unless they were in on some scam to deprive them of this money by having to give out their bank accounts to prove such money existed? What, are you going to walk into the South African Consulate in HK, or the HK consulate in HK, hand them a stub and say "I've got NT 100,000 written on this here stub bub, let me have a day's worth of grub?" But who the hell would they get "a letter of invitation from. . ." anyway other than an employer? Think about what you post, Wombat, and the messages you think are your own right to refute. |
As usual I have no idea what you are saying. I have to assume that you have missed the point, but unless you would like to translate the above into English I am afraid that I will have to remain in the dark as to what you are rambling on about.
| A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote: |
| Yet you say "Uhmm . .duhh" to my comments when she asked for the cheapest places to stay in HK and you didn't hear about them but lambasted me because I said "Make sure you don't get taken for a ride." You will not find it cheap there if you don't bargain without NT 100,000 in your pocket to prove. |
Warning someone who is intending to head off to Asia 'not to get taken for a ride' is certainly useless advice. If they haven't already figured this out before they decide to come to Asia then they are doomed! This is why you get the Homer Simpson Award! |
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Ki
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| Why would HK have a consulate in HK? Why would they need to go to the South African consulate if they are trying to get to Taiwan. By the way, there is no official Taiwan consulate in HK as they are not officially a separate country. It is called something like a tourist office. |
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mjed9
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TRO - trade representative office
or is it tourist representative office?
Who knows? |
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mjed9
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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or maybe Taiwan Representative Office?
or Turbulent Representative Office? Maybe that's it! |
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A.K.A.T.D.N.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| Ki wrote: |
| Why would HK have a consulate in HK? Why would they need to go to the South African consulate if they are trying to get to Taiwan. By the way, there is no official Taiwan consulate in HK as they are not officially a separate country. It is called something like a tourist office. |
This is my point. How are they going to get a letter of invitation from a Taiwanese consulate, or whichever consulate and embassy or office they're going to, in order to obtain a letter of invitation from HK to Taiwan? They have to have the Taiwanese consulate prove this, right? No? But they're going from HK to Taiwan for a tourist visa which has to be proven by a letter of invitation, so they say? I don't understand this.
A letter of invitation, at least for Americans, needs a signed contract by both parties, a signature by someone to verify this, money and possibly more. It sounds to me like someone is just trying to steal money here or that someone might just be wanting to get sucked into that 60day visa problem here. Employers use this to prevent you from having to get a work permit.
Besides, I believe you need proof of an onward ticket to obtain a letter of invitation, or a 60day visa. Why not just come to Taiwan and get this done with an onward ticket to HK?
The whole thing just sounds so confusion to me that I thought I'd take a shot at it anyway. |
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Ki
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Still not quite sure what your point is. I am not South African and don't know of any particulars about how this would affect the application process. With regards to the proof of funds- this is a common part of the application for tourist and student visas. If it's not NT$100,000 it is a similar amount in another currency. It is no more of a scam than having to pay for a medical for an ARC. It is part of the process. You also need an onward ticket out of Taiwan.
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| The whole thing just sounds so confusion to me that I thought I'd take a shot at it anyway. |
????? I don't get this. Are you serious? |
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wombat
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote: |
| How are they going to get a letter of invitation from a Taiwanese consulate, or whichever consulate and embassy or office they're going to, in order to obtain a letter of invitation from HK to Taiwan? They have to have the Taiwanese consulate prove this, right? No? But they're going from HK to Taiwan for a tourist visa which has to be proven by a letter of invitation, so they say? I don't understand this. |
No it is pretty clear that you don't understand it so this certainly begs the question as to why you got involved with the original thread, and why you split it off into this second thread. Look it is all very simple, so let me try to explain it so that the readers can have a chance to understand.
Firstly, the issue of a letter of invitation has nothing to with the Taiwan consulate, tourist office, representative office or whatever you want to call it. The letter of invitation is issued by the organization or company that is inviting you to come to Taiwan. In the case that we are discussing, the party doing the inviting is the school or employer. They write a letter saying that they need you to come to Taiwan for the purpose of accepting employment with them. You give this to the Visa office when you are applying for your visa, and the letter of invitation is given due consideration. It doesn't guarantee that your visa will be approved, but it does help the paper pushers to make a decision. I reiterate, other than the approval of your visa, the consulate has nothing to do with the issue of a letter of invitation.
| A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote: |
| A letter of invitation, at least for Americans, needs a signed contract by both parties, a signature by someone to verify this, money and possibly more. |
By this do you mean, foreigners applying to enter America? It reads as if you are suggesting that Americans applying for visas to Taiwan need to meet these requirements. That is obviously not the case so I assume that your sentence was poorly constructed and therefore ambiguous.
| A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote: |
| It sounds to me like someone is just trying to steal money here or that someone might just be wanting to get sucked into that 60day visa problem here. Employers use this to prevent you from having to get a work permit. |
I disagree. Assuming that the employer is legitimate, then it appears that they are suggesting that the applicant do what 90% of teachers arriving here in Taiwan do, and that is to secure and arrive on a 60 day visitors visa for tourism purposes. There is nothing untoward about this.
| A.K.A.T.D.N. wrote: |
| The whole thing just sounds so confusion to me that I thought I'd take a shot at it anyway. |
Not too long ago you, AKATDN, took a shot at another newbie poster for the fact that they had made only 10 posts. They answered back that they may have only made ten posts, but they had read a lot more. You obviously need to take a leaf out of their book and actually start reading up on this stuff before you profer an opinion. To continue speaking blindly about questions raised is certainly not going to enable you to gain respect, nor is it particularly helpful. In fact it is deconstructive. |
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